Dreams

[Lilya]

I believe dreams can help us and tell us about how we are feeling and give us insight into what we´re dealing with.

Sometimes, when we let go of a problem, the answer comes via the subconscience and is presented in dreams.

I want to offer this thread as a sharing tool.

I dreamt this morning I was throwing up blood in my bath tub. I washed the blood and then someone gave me a little puppy dog that nestled in my arms, so I woke up happy.

I looked into the old dream texts and to me, this dream is telling me I´m doing too much and spilling my life´s blood. I need to take it easy.

I intend to take this dream seriously.

What about yours?

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[Juls]

Lilya,

I had an out of body experience for the first time in a dream I had the other night. I dreamt I was giving myself a facial. My body was on the bed, and I was sitting behind the head where I usually sit when I am giving a facial.

I gave myself a really good facial, and then sat my body up so I could see how I looked. It was really bizarre, because I was looking into my own face from outside my body.

The eyes were closed and the body was not responsive, and I realized it was because I was not in it. I had this sense of panic that my body would die if I was not in it, and I dove back into my body.

It was very interesting, because I have heard of out of body experiences before, and I did experience some when I was young, but not since I've been an adult and never in a dream before.

Juls

[Lilya]

Juls,

This is a very interesting experience. I believe in out of body experiences because I've had them myself, one particularily strong, but I was afraid they old LSD flashbacks, so I wrote an article about Near Death experiences and did research on these experiences in various cultures. That was truly amazing. I interviewed doctors who specialized in rescussitating people and people who had had them. Everyone has similar experience, similar to what you had, although there is a big difference in Near Death and Out of Body experiences.

Maybe your experience is telling you to nurture yourself more, or maybe you just got so relaxed you went out of your body for a stroll. In the Bouddiste centre in London, the monks told me if I got scared to imagine I was moving my little finger, and then I would get straight into your body. Turns out it works.

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[Luther Maze]

Interesting posts.

I was wondering if either of you two have read about lucid dreaming?

I know a book I read on it laid my fears to rest on sleep paralisis.

It was writen by a psychologist about his research into lucid dreaming (which is knowing in your dream that you're dreaming and having total control in your dream). Which seems very real.

I remember when I once suffered from sleep paralisis. It's when you are just waking and you are paralised and feel a great weight on you. You feel totaly helpless and if you don't know what's happening you may hallucinate. I know I saw a shadow on me.
Later I learned in this book and in my psychology class that this is a phnominon that happens to very few and usually only once in a persons lifetime.

The book also explains astral travel i.e. out of body experiences as lucid dreaming, which can be induced from the waking state.
He discovered in his research that one can't read something twice, thus he claims to disprove the astral plane.

I'm starting to meditate and am interested in your opinions.

peace.

[Juls]

Luther,

I am familiar with lucid dreaming. I have tried to do it on a few occasions, or it has happened accidentally. I can't control it for long though.

Juls

[Lilya]

Luther,

I had an Out of Body experience and went through a dark tunnel towards a blinding light. I met people on the other side I didn´t know where dead, but were indeed dead when I researched it later. I have done a documentary on Near Death Experiences and read a great deal on the subject, interviewed doctors and parapsychologists. I find it fascinating.

I still get paralysed sometime, but the trick is to move your little finger by using your willpower to concentrate on it. You get back almost immediately.

If anyone has an interesting dream to talk about, I would like to analyze it. I´m good at breaking dream pattern and sometimes dreams can be a premonition. I´ve had many dreams that have come true few months later. I believe in Jung´s theory in the collective consciousness and symbols are pretty much universal.

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[Luther Maze]

Interesting, I wish I could remember exactly what the book on the astral body I read said on the subject. I've also been meaning to record my dreams but I don't have a computer of my own and beings as it's private to me I don't put it on this computer. Plus my penmanship $ucks. As you probably know the memory of a dream can be forgotten very quickly.

And now that I'm thinking about it I believe dreams are very closely related to the strong emotions in our life, and give us a unique perspective on them. It helps to look at things from more than one angle, and our dreams definitely do that.

peace

[Juls]

Lilya,

I don't know how interesting it is, but I have a recurring dream that all my teeth are falling out. LOL

Juls

[Lilya]

Juls,

How long have you had this dream? You say it´s recurring.
Usually if people dream their teeth are falling out, major changes will occur. It can signify illness, but not if it´s a recurring dream. In your case it´s a subconscious dream and has something to do with your security in life, self-image and things like that. It can also be linked to an old trauma.

I would like to analyze more dreams! It´s a hobby of mine.

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[bubblze30]

About the out of body experience.

When I od'd I was in a coma. Well I had 3 dreams all where about my family and my bf saving my life or trying to. The third however was me watching over my lifeless body on a hospitol table with a bright light on me. I watched the doctors putting tubes down my throat and trying to save me.I never went back into my body but that was the last dream. When I came out of the coma after a while the doc told me I died three times and the third was very hard to bring me back just when they where about to give upo I came back. This was scary but everytime I tell people they think I am crazy. This makes me believe in out of bady experiences

[Juls]

Bubblze,

That is wild. You died three times, wow. And you saw yourself. I believe it. I'm so glad you are still here. Doesn't that make you believe in a higher power?

Juls

[Juls]

Lilya,

I've had that dream several times over the past few years. The last time I had it was a few weeks ago. I was running around trying to find a dentist.

Juls

[Luther Maze]

What are your veiws on the opinion that these out of body during death are just dreams experianced before or after such an emotional experience.

As you can tell I have the habbit choseing the opposition in all my thoughts. It is sad that there are so many closeminded people out there that I have to say these words to express my true curiosity.

[Juls]

Luther,

No one really knows until they die, but I do think these experiences are real. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. People who have near death out of body experiences on the table have come back to describe conversations and exactly what was done to them. If they are so close to death, or have clinically died, then there would be no way they could actually see what was done to them unless they were outside their body viewing it.

Juls

[Luther Maze]

Good point.
Do you know of any free ebooks on out of body experiences and dreams?
That reminds me my sister did a lot of research into these thing. I'll have to see if she still has any books on them.
Man, talking about this makes me wish I could go to collage and take classes on psychology socialogy and philosiphy.

peace.

[Luther Maze]

I forgot to ask about the effects of Alcohol on dreams.
I found it makes them less real and harder to remember.
I'm now on anti dipessents and still haveing a hard time remembering them clearly, however they seem clearer than when I was drinking.

[Lilya]

According to my research some time ago, parapsychologists have come to the conclusion that near death experiences are real. It´s based on five important facts - which I don´t remember exactly, LOL - I don´t have the material with me.

What I do remember is that according to researches done all over the world, the experience described earlier, the tunnel and the bright lights, is the same in every culture and continent. The signs and symbols people see are different, however. An Hindu tends to see Buddha or a lotus, while Christian people see Christian symbols, African people see the symbols of their religion and culture and arabs see musulman´s signs.

Second findings is the oxygen level in the brain at the time of dying. Some people against this theory say that people halluciante and thus see these signs or tunnels, but most people describe co-herenet experiences which should not be possible with the level of oxygen on the brain at the time of dying.

Third finding is the facts that many people who died and came back met someone in this unknown dimension who they believed to be still a life and was in fact dead. They could describe the death and the circumstances and it couldn´t be refuted. I´m talking about at least million cases world-wide from all cultures and continents.

Most scientists believe there is an energy around us we don´t have the technology to see or hear yet, just like the radiowaves. I know Marie Curie, our French scientist, went regularily to scéances to find out more about this. She was certain we would later discover this unknown energy.

Just imagine our great-grandmothers think of cell phones when they were young and sending télémessages.

I´m a firm believer. I´ve read to many similar cases,m interviewed people and been there myself.

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[Lilya]

Luther,

I haven´t had a drink in 17 years and I don´t remember much about dreams back then. All I know is that I used to have a gift for dreaming prémonitory dreams but the alchahol ruined my gift. It came back gradually.

I say like Freud: "Write your dreams down, as soon as you remember them!"

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[Juls]

Lilya,

I loved reading about the life of Marie Curie. She was an incredible woman.

Juls

[Lilya]

Yes, she was something, that woman. But definately not meant to be a mother. She was a true idealiste. There are beautiful documentaries for TV about her life.

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[Luther Maze]

How much have you read on metaphysics?
From the book on the astral body I mentioned earlier they call this other diminshion the astral plane which is parrallel to the material plane on the subatomic level. They also call this the plane of emotion, and the plane of the dead, and in relavence to this topic the realm of the dream world. However they still believe that some dreams are just in our head.

I know from the internet that witchcraft has similar beliefs. One could say they are identical on a lot of there views.
Also in learning witchcraft one has to first master or gain more control over there dreams. There meditations are a focused meditation.

Of course I am ingnorant of many of the beliefs of metapysics and witchcraft.

[Lilya]

Near Death Experiences and the Afterlife



Hard science is not my forte, Luther. I´m an academic in arts and littérature and a writer of fiction by profession. But here is some stuff on the subject:


www.near-death.com/ - 40k - Cached - More pages from this site
Category: Near Death Experiences

2. Near-Death Experiences (NDE)
provides links and personal accounts. Includes skeptical analysis.
www.mindspring.com/~scottr/end.html - 4k - Cached - More pages from this site
Category: Near Death Experiences

3. Near Death Experience Research Foundation
includes international near-death experience studies, webforms, narrative accounts, soulmate relations, bulletin board, and research articles.
www.nderf.org/ - 63k - Cached - More pages from this site
Category: Near Death Experiences

4. International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS)
official site. For experiencers and those close to them, researchers, care givers, and those interested in the nature of human consciousness.
www.iands.org/ - 17k - Cached - More pages from this site
Category: Near Death Experiences > International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS)

5. near death experiencer provides information - conscious dying, ...
August 18, 1996 - August 18, 2003. A Near Death Experience. Beyond the Veil. with.
Diane Goble. ... A Near Death Experience. an accidental glimpse into the after life. ...
www.beyondtheveil.net/ - 29k - Cached - More pages from this site

6. Skeptic's Dictionary: Near-death Experiences (NDEs)
provides a definition and links.
skepdic.com/nde.html - 17k - Cached - More pages from this site
Category: Near Death Experiences

7. Thoughtful Living
based on the knowledge and meaning of the near death experience.
www.ndeweb.com/ - 4k - Cached - More pages from this site
Category: Near Death Experiences

8. Near Death Experiences
In the Near Death Experience the spirit - soul - leaves the physical body usually
after a major trauma - accidents, illnesses, problems in surgery - cardiac ...
www.crystalinks.com/neardeath.html - 11k - Cached - More pages from this site

9. Near-Death Experiences: In or Out of the Body
... Paradoxically it is also improved medicine that has led to an increase in
quite a different kind of report? that of the near-death experience. ...
www.susanblackmore.co.uk/si91nde.html - 49k - Cached - More pages from this site

10. Christian Near-Death Experiences
... Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, Dr. Kenneth Ring, Dr. Michael Sabom and Dr. Melvin Morse
have brought the subject of near-death experience (NDE) to the popular front. ...
hometown.aol.com/yesloveisgod/ - 16k - Cached - More pages from this site

11. Near-Death and Out-of-Body Experiences in a Melanesian Society
by Dorothy E. Counts, University of Waterloo.
http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/ANTHRO/...NearDeath.html - 53k - Cached - More pages from this site
Category: Near Death Experiences

12. ON DEATH & DYING and NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES: INDEX
Inerson On Death & Dying and Near-Death Experiences NEW! * Music and Near-Death
Experience the complete version of the appendix featured in Kenneth Ring's ...
pages.globetrotter.net/inerson/ondeath.html - 7k - Cached - More pages from this site

13. Using Ketamine to Induce the Near-Death Experience
by Dr. Karl L.R. Jansen. Explores the mechanism of action and the therapeutic potential of 'special K'.
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Cyclohe...ear-death.html - 18k - Cached
Category: Drugs and Medications > Ketamine

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[Lilya]

I usually call the hidden dimension the astral plane.

I was reading about Ketamine to induce death experience and I have to say it´s not a nice feeling of relaxation like they describe it. I was terrified and I didn´t sleep properly for six months afterwards. It was the most horrifying experience I have known.

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[Luther Maze]

good a lot of sites to look at

I'll look at them in a couple minutes but your mention of it being terrified reminded me of what my sister told me the other day.

She stated that she believed in another dimention but had fear of what she may find.
I told here that our thoughts are all in our head and one's own personal fear can be the most terrifiing, and that is usually what we find. I incurraged her to research her fears of what is out there as to lay them to rest.

By the way she has read a good amout of books on the occult and metaphysics so on this subject she is better versed than I.

I helped her research along by giving her a book on meditations. I suggested she use the more positive meditations first. Like meditations on light, breathing and what have you.
I also told her that there are meditations on darkness in the book and once she feels up to it she may want to try them.
She is wise enough not to try anything too dangerous such as black magic. Plus her current faith is the holy trinity.

What do you think is her best corse to find highter enlightenment is?

[Lilya]

Luther,

I am the wrong person to ask these questions. Seeking higher enlightenment can too often become a cult-like activities and this I know from personal experience. My husband is in India, living with a cult. He started by seeking enlightenment.

I seek spirituality by visiting the temple of Dalai Lama in the outskirts of Paris and reading his books, some bouddist wisdom at the Bouddist centre in Paris and by using the AA big book, poems and western philosophy. I have found that simple things are often the most effective.

I wish your sister happiness on her quest for wisdom.

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