Coping with Insomnia
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Coping with Insomnia
Ok, you've got insomnia. Now, what do you do?
Well, before you go running to the doctor for a pill, try these coping skills. Changing our daily routines and what we do getting ready to go to bed can make a difference in getting a good night's sleep. And, if it doesn't, well, the doc is still there.
After you've tried these for a few days, come back, and let us know how it goes.
I've limited my time in bed, if I cannot fall asleep; and made myself stay up later to avoid going to sleep too early. I've stopped taking naps, (usually, hehehe). and keep my bedroom cool. I have no caffine after 2 PM and have a cup of decaf Celestial Seasons Tension Tamer tea for my nightly ritual prior to bed. It lets my body know that it's time to settle down and get ready for bed. All of these things have contributed to my sleeping better.
What do you do to help you sleep?
Shalom!
Well, before you go running to the doctor for a pill, try these coping skills. Changing our daily routines and what we do getting ready to go to bed can make a difference in getting a good night's sleep. And, if it doesn't, well, the doc is still there.
Coping skills
No matter what your age, insomnia usually is treatable. The key often lies in changes to your routine during the day and when you go to bed. Try these tips:
Stick to a schedule. Keep your bedtime and wake time on a constant schedule.
Limit your time in bed. Too much time in bed can promote shallow, unrestful sleep. Try to cut the time you spend in bed by one hour a night for two weeks to see if it helps you sleep.
Avoid trying to sleep. The harder you try, the more awake you'll become.
Read or watch television until you become very drowsy, then go to bed to sleep. Get up in the morning at the same time as usual.
Hide the bedroom clocks. Set your alarm so that you know when to get up, but then hide all clocks in your bedroom. The less you know what time it is at night, the better you'll sleep.
Exercise and stay active. Get at least 20 to 30 minutes of vigorous exercise daily, preferably at least five to six hours before bedtime.
Avoid or limit caffeine, alcohol and nicotine. Caffeine after lunchtime and using nicotine can keep you from falling asleep at night. Alcohol, while it may initially make you feel sleepy, can cause unrestful sleep and frequent awakenings.
Reset your body's clock. If you fall asleep too early and then wake up too early, use light to push back your internal clock. During times of the year when it's light outside in the evenings, go outside for 30 minutes or obtain light via a medical-grade light box.
Check your medications. If you take medications regularly, check with your doctor to see if they may be contributing to your insomnia. Also check the labels of over-the-counter products to see if they contain caffeine or other stimulants, such as pseudoephedrine.
Don't put up with pain. If a painful condition bothers you, make sure the pain reliever you take is effective enough to control your pain while you're sleeping.
Find ways to relax. A warm bath or light snack before bedtime may help prepare you for sleep. Having your partner give you a massage also may help relax you.
Avoid or limit naps. Naps can make it harder to fall asleep at night. If you can't get by without one, try to limit a nap to no more than an hour and don't nap after 3 p.m.
Minimize sleep interruptions. Close your bedroom door or create a subtle background noise, such as a running fan, to help drown out other noises.
Keep your bedroom temperature comfortable, usually cooler than during the day. Drink less before bedtime so that you won't have to go to the toilet as often.
No matter what your age, insomnia usually is treatable. The key often lies in changes to your routine during the day and when you go to bed. Try these tips:
Stick to a schedule. Keep your bedtime and wake time on a constant schedule.
Limit your time in bed. Too much time in bed can promote shallow, unrestful sleep. Try to cut the time you spend in bed by one hour a night for two weeks to see if it helps you sleep.
Avoid trying to sleep. The harder you try, the more awake you'll become.
Read or watch television until you become very drowsy, then go to bed to sleep. Get up in the morning at the same time as usual.
Hide the bedroom clocks. Set your alarm so that you know when to get up, but then hide all clocks in your bedroom. The less you know what time it is at night, the better you'll sleep.
Exercise and stay active. Get at least 20 to 30 minutes of vigorous exercise daily, preferably at least five to six hours before bedtime.
Avoid or limit caffeine, alcohol and nicotine. Caffeine after lunchtime and using nicotine can keep you from falling asleep at night. Alcohol, while it may initially make you feel sleepy, can cause unrestful sleep and frequent awakenings.
Reset your body's clock. If you fall asleep too early and then wake up too early, use light to push back your internal clock. During times of the year when it's light outside in the evenings, go outside for 30 minutes or obtain light via a medical-grade light box.
Check your medications. If you take medications regularly, check with your doctor to see if they may be contributing to your insomnia. Also check the labels of over-the-counter products to see if they contain caffeine or other stimulants, such as pseudoephedrine.
Don't put up with pain. If a painful condition bothers you, make sure the pain reliever you take is effective enough to control your pain while you're sleeping.
Find ways to relax. A warm bath or light snack before bedtime may help prepare you for sleep. Having your partner give you a massage also may help relax you.
Avoid or limit naps. Naps can make it harder to fall asleep at night. If you can't get by without one, try to limit a nap to no more than an hour and don't nap after 3 p.m.
Minimize sleep interruptions. Close your bedroom door or create a subtle background noise, such as a running fan, to help drown out other noises.
Keep your bedroom temperature comfortable, usually cooler than during the day. Drink less before bedtime so that you won't have to go to the toilet as often.
I've limited my time in bed, if I cannot fall asleep; and made myself stay up later to avoid going to sleep too early. I've stopped taking naps, (usually, hehehe). and keep my bedroom cool. I have no caffine after 2 PM and have a cup of decaf Celestial Seasons Tension Tamer tea for my nightly ritual prior to bed. It lets my body know that it's time to settle down and get ready for bed. All of these things have contributed to my sleeping better.
What do you do to help you sleep?
Shalom!
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Hi historyteach,
Thanks for this excellent wrap-up of things to try! I have had a lifelong problem with insomnia, which only started getting worse as I reached the fringes of perimenopause (yuck!!) On your list are some of the things I do, and they've really helped.
A couple of other things in my toolkit are these:
--I don't read or watch anything stimulating (upsetting, energizing, sad, violent) within an hour of bedtime
--I take a couple of calcium tablets an hour before bed. For women especially, this is a good time to catch up on any calcium deficiency you may have from your day's food intake. It's relaxing too.
--I found a dual-release melatonin (from Swanson Vitamins): one part of it is instantly accessible, and one part kicks in 3-4 hours later, to help keep you asleep. I don't use it often, but when I do, it's a really good way to get a good night's sleep.
--A small, high-carbohydrate snack about a half-hour before bedtime has helped me. Complex carbohydrates have proven to slow down your mind (witness what happens a half-hour after you have a plate of pasta for lunch!) Avoid protein, which stimulates your mind, stick with something like crackers or a piece of toast.
--I got a little white noise machine, which makes this neutral hum all night, helping mask those noises that used to wake me up (fridge turning on, etc.)
Anyway.......thanks SO much for this sticky!
Thanks for this excellent wrap-up of things to try! I have had a lifelong problem with insomnia, which only started getting worse as I reached the fringes of perimenopause (yuck!!) On your list are some of the things I do, and they've really helped.
A couple of other things in my toolkit are these:
--I don't read or watch anything stimulating (upsetting, energizing, sad, violent) within an hour of bedtime
--I take a couple of calcium tablets an hour before bed. For women especially, this is a good time to catch up on any calcium deficiency you may have from your day's food intake. It's relaxing too.
--I found a dual-release melatonin (from Swanson Vitamins): one part of it is instantly accessible, and one part kicks in 3-4 hours later, to help keep you asleep. I don't use it often, but when I do, it's a really good way to get a good night's sleep.
--A small, high-carbohydrate snack about a half-hour before bedtime has helped me. Complex carbohydrates have proven to slow down your mind (witness what happens a half-hour after you have a plate of pasta for lunch!) Avoid protein, which stimulates your mind, stick with something like crackers or a piece of toast.
--I got a little white noise machine, which makes this neutral hum all night, helping mask those noises that used to wake me up (fridge turning on, etc.)
Anyway.......thanks SO much for this sticky!
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Givelove,
I take Melatonin but didnt know they offered a time released version. Can you tell me where to find this?
Also, I drink a cup of Sleepy Time Celestial tea with honey and lemon after a long hot bath.
I feel SOOOO much better in the morning compared to when I was drinking.
God I am thankful I am sober!!!
Desi
I take Melatonin but didnt know they offered a time released version. Can you tell me where to find this?
Also, I drink a cup of Sleepy Time Celestial tea with honey and lemon after a long hot bath.
I feel SOOOO much better in the morning compared to when I was drinking.
God I am thankful I am sober!!!
Desi
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Thanks for the information. I stopped drinking just after Christmas last year and have had terrible insomnia since. Falling asleep is the hardest part, though shallow sleep also has given me problems. Those teas sound good. A bedtime ritual is a great idea! It usually takes me about 2 hours to fall asleep so I'm very tempted to work or do something that is stimulating after becoming bored with trying to sleep. Of course, that only delays the onset of sleep and results in very short periods of rest in between days - about 4 to 6 hours.
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Restful Peaceful Sleep
Originally Posted by historyteach 
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What do you do to help you sleep?
Shalom!
What do you do to help you sleep?
Shalom!
I have been having problems sleeping since I left detox. The first week when I wasn't taking anything, I would sleep an hour at best, wake up, look at the clock, and toss and turn. It might very well be true that I had a problem sleeping before I went into detox but I was on so many drugs I didn't notice it!
So for the past nine days since the induction onto suboxone I've been having horiffic nightmares and not sleeping well. Last night I was adjusting the comforter after tossing and turning and I moved my bed and LO! there was a 2 mg Xanax right on the floor. Now my woman told me she swept he room looking for things like that but she missed that little stick.
I held it in my hand like it was the ring of power and went online to see if there really would be a major reaction to a Bezo with the Subs. The Methadone people also say DO NOT USE pills while taking meth, bad reaction etc but to the contrary it just boosted my meth. So I decided to experiment. I took the stick and broke it into 1/4's and then cut the 1/4 in half. I took that, and when nothing happened did it again until I fell asleep. Now I'm in a state because if they take a urine at my out patient they might just throw me off and everything I've been working towards will be in vane.
I am such an *******. Was it really worth it? NO What the hell is wrong with me? I just suffered a horrible detox from the meth and benzos. Ahhhhh, I don't know what to do now HELP Please
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When are you taking your suboxone, Freddie? Many people find it messes with their sleep if they dose later in the day. Some docs insist on wtriting multiple doses per day....but if you read the prescribing info, it clearly states that everything can be taken at once. Dunno what to tell you about the tombstone. Once you find something like that, if you don't toss it immediately, you might as well consider it taken. If they drop on you, telling them you screwed up ahead of time is always better than hiding things and getting caught.
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I've tried evrything on the list, including melatonin and 5-htp, with no results. Unfortunately the only thing that ever got me to sleep was several glasses of red wine. Now that I'm sober, I rarely sleep, and it really bugs me.
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I have had problems with sleep for as far back as I can remember going back to early childhood. I learned to meditate to help me fall to sleep, but then could never stay asleep. I tried everything from changing diet, changing exercise routine, lavender on pillow, valerian, hiding clocks, no computer or tv before bed, benadryl( got to where I would have to take 5 or 6 a night), etc etc. I went to a sleep center and was told my alpha brain waves interupt my delta sleep so that is why I am always waking up. They put me on, I believe, trazadone. That got me to sleep with wild crazy dreams but left me feeling disconnected in the day time and then after about a yr I was going to have to up my dose because it was no longer working, so I just said forget it.
Over a yr ago, due to extreme stress with AD, I would have really bad nightmares when I slept so then I just was afraid to fall asleep. After months of exhaustion, I asked my Dr to please give me a prescription sleeping pill just to take now and then so I could get some sleep. He put me on Ambien. WOW. The first night of a restful sleep was amazing! I was a whole new person the next day. I have been on Ambien every since, but I only allow myself to take 3 mg a night. I feel so great by taking it, compared to when I don't take it and drag around all day. I know that if I have caffeine late in day it will affect it. I still give myself downtime before bed. I am careful not to take more than 3 mg a night because I don't want to up my dosage, and plus it makes me foggy in the morning if I do.
People have told me that it is addicting, and that I will have to take a bigger dose to get the same affect, and so maybe since I don't take a bigger dose, it is mental, you know, all in my head. But seriously, I think if I had been given help with my sleep as a child I would not have had such a hard time at school. I am almost 50 yrs old, and only in the past one and a half yrs have I been able to sleep so well.
Over a yr ago, due to extreme stress with AD, I would have really bad nightmares when I slept so then I just was afraid to fall asleep. After months of exhaustion, I asked my Dr to please give me a prescription sleeping pill just to take now and then so I could get some sleep. He put me on Ambien. WOW. The first night of a restful sleep was amazing! I was a whole new person the next day. I have been on Ambien every since, but I only allow myself to take 3 mg a night. I feel so great by taking it, compared to when I don't take it and drag around all day. I know that if I have caffeine late in day it will affect it. I still give myself downtime before bed. I am careful not to take more than 3 mg a night because I don't want to up my dosage, and plus it makes me foggy in the morning if I do.
People have told me that it is addicting, and that I will have to take a bigger dose to get the same affect, and so maybe since I don't take a bigger dose, it is mental, you know, all in my head. But seriously, I think if I had been given help with my sleep as a child I would not have had such a hard time at school. I am almost 50 yrs old, and only in the past one and a half yrs have I been able to sleep so well.
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I've tried much of what is posted here, but to no avail, still not a great sleeper. It kind of runs in my family. I do find that a very small amount of melatonin helps me get a little drowsy and fall asleep -- but 4-5 hours later, I'm up! Could caffeine in the morning affect sleep 14 hours later? I never have coffee after 8am. I'd do anything to become the sleeper I was when I was 18 years old! Any suggestions?
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This is a subject I'm fairly obsessed with. I would describe myself as one of the worst sleepers on the planet. When I was drinking, obviously my sleep was disrupted because of the alcohol. At first, it was the only thing that put me to sleep. But then I would wake way too early and take a slug of whatever alcohol was around just to get back to sleep. My desperation for any kind of sleep, at any cost, escalated. I started experiencing extreme night sweats, episodes of A-fib, panic attacks. I maybe got 3 hours of sleep a night, MAX. So my waking hours were horrible. I started every morning by throwing up and was so shakey from not sleeping that my work as a musician started seriously suffering. When I got sober, 13 months ago, I thought my sleep would finally return....but it did not. There is not a sleeping pill or herbal supplement I have not tried. There is not a sleep hygiene technic that I have not employed. I exercise regularly, eat well, and am daily grateful for my sobriety. But I still sleep poorly by comparison.....better than when I was drinking, but not like a " normie". But here is what I have learned: 1. most
insomniacs actually sleep more than we think. 2. we will not die from a lack of sleep. We can actually learn to function on much less sleep than we think we need. 3. Not sleeping sober is infinitely better than not sleeping drunk.
insomniacs actually sleep more than we think. 2. we will not die from a lack of sleep. We can actually learn to function on much less sleep than we think we need. 3. Not sleeping sober is infinitely better than not sleeping drunk.
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Ive tried everything over the years to try and diminish my insomnia and with anxiety and depression its a fight that doesnt seem possible to win. I've slept 6 hours in 4 days which would've been 0 hours if I didnt use just so I could sleep. I've tried exercise, every sleeping medication, meditation I'm just at my ends with all this if anyone has any suggestions that has worked for them I'd really appreciate it.
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Sometimes I don't know if people even read replies on these types of Threads...but here goes...
eraserhead - There are some suggestions for better sleep at the top of this Thread. Take a look if you haven't. I really stress getting rid of caffeine and sugar. Totally, to see how / if it helps. Other than that, sounds like you've tried meds and other things.
I used to use alcohol to sleep, and I would get it, and it would last for hours. Still...it wasn't good sleep. I would be in a funk for hours. Plus...the amount it took to get me to sleep was becoming ridiculous, and not sustainable.
When I quit alcohol, I got a script sleeping med. At first, I didn't think it was working. I was so used to being close to passed out when my head hit the pillow, that I forgot that's not how it's supposed to be. I had to learn how to fall asleep again, like most normal people. Truly. I take a med, but it doesn't "knock" me out like alcohol did. I go to bed. Lay there. Think about things, and hopefully fall asleep and stay that way for a few hours.
Not sure if any of this applies to / or helps you, but thought I'd throw it out there. Yeah...no offense, but I don't envy your situation. Good luck.
LDT - Good points. Though, I would dispute number 2 a bit, as I think generally most people need close to eight to function. If someone gets less, even significantly less, and STILL feels fine that's one thing. However, if someone does not get a lot of sleep and it negatively affects them, that is the body saying, "more please" in many cases.
Still...I get what you're saying. Sounds like you've had some hard times with sleep too, but sounds like it's better. Good luck.
eraserhead - There are some suggestions for better sleep at the top of this Thread. Take a look if you haven't. I really stress getting rid of caffeine and sugar. Totally, to see how / if it helps. Other than that, sounds like you've tried meds and other things.
I used to use alcohol to sleep, and I would get it, and it would last for hours. Still...it wasn't good sleep. I would be in a funk for hours. Plus...the amount it took to get me to sleep was becoming ridiculous, and not sustainable.
When I quit alcohol, I got a script sleeping med. At first, I didn't think it was working. I was so used to being close to passed out when my head hit the pillow, that I forgot that's not how it's supposed to be. I had to learn how to fall asleep again, like most normal people. Truly. I take a med, but it doesn't "knock" me out like alcohol did. I go to bed. Lay there. Think about things, and hopefully fall asleep and stay that way for a few hours.
Not sure if any of this applies to / or helps you, but thought I'd throw it out there. Yeah...no offense, but I don't envy your situation. Good luck.
BY LDT
here is what I have learned:
1. most insomniacs actually sleep more than we think.
2. we will not die from a lack of sleep. We can actually learn to function on much less sleep than we think we need.
3. Not sleeping sober is infinitely better than not sleeping drunk.
here is what I have learned:
1. most insomniacs actually sleep more than we think.
2. we will not die from a lack of sleep. We can actually learn to function on much less sleep than we think we need.
3. Not sleeping sober is infinitely better than not sleeping drunk.
Still...I get what you're saying. Sounds like you've had some hard times with sleep too, but sounds like it's better. Good luck.
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Tryptophan
I have been taking 1,000- 3,000 mg of Tryptophan a couple of hours before bed.
I believe, among other things, it's working for me. I am an alcoholic insomniac and this is the only thing that has ever worked. I've tried AMbien, Lunesta, etc. I'll post the website I found all of this info on after I have enough posts under my belt to share a link! Today I celebrate 65 days of sobriety Happy health and recovery to you all!
I believe, among other things, it's working for me. I am an alcoholic insomniac and this is the only thing that has ever worked. I've tried AMbien, Lunesta, etc. I'll post the website I found all of this info on after I have enough posts under my belt to share a link! Today I celebrate 65 days of sobriety
Happy health and recovery to you all!
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Ambien is the drug I abuse. I am a working professional and taking a legal drug, but it is adversely affecting my life. I take more than i should, take it for naps, many abuses. I will try all of the sleep hygiene techniques. I do not drink or use any other drugs, but this one is ruining my life. it is hard to find support for this. I was laughed at in an AA meeting, very discouraging. Anyone else out there?
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I quit drinking about 35 days ago...I hope the feeling of wanting a drink passes soon. I cannot sleep. I use Xanax. It is prescribed, but I hope to get to a more scheduled sleep. I wake in the middle of the night wondering what the heck I'm going to do if I don't find a job!! I am very nervous about this. I need an income.
Anyway, I haven't had a headache in the morning, so that's good, but sometimes it takes me 3mg of Xanax to get to sleep. But there are days I don't get up until 2:30pm because I cannot face looking for a job all day. I am 64 and so not easily hired. I was an RN, but had a DUI 8 years ago and the government still has my license. Otherwise, I could find a job. I am just now beginning all over again, the task to get my license back. I raised such hell with everyone in the beginning that no one wants to deal with me. They'll want me to go to 3 AA's a week and I absolutely hate those meetings. I wish there was some alternative. I just hate them. Too Godly!! I just don't suck up all they say, where others seem to be so compliant. The people at these meetings all seem to smoke, what's with that? They all stink!!
Anyway, I haven't had a headache in the morning, so that's good, but sometimes it takes me 3mg of Xanax to get to sleep. But there are days I don't get up until 2:30pm because I cannot face looking for a job all day. I am 64 and so not easily hired. I was an RN, but had a DUI 8 years ago and the government still has my license. Otherwise, I could find a job. I am just now beginning all over again, the task to get my license back. I raised such hell with everyone in the beginning that no one wants to deal with me. They'll want me to go to 3 AA's a week and I absolutely hate those meetings. I wish there was some alternative. I just hate them. Too Godly!! I just don't suck up all they say, where others seem to be so compliant. The people at these meetings all seem to smoke, what's with that? They all stink!!
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