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***indigo*** · 05-27-2009, 03:59 AM

It made me sad to read that California upheld Prop 8 yesterday, I can't understand why people continue to live their lives as they please (straight) and we get homophobia from so many of these so called 'upright citizens'

louis · 05-27-2009, 06:49 AM

I think its more a case of "uptight" rather than "upright".... citizens!!!!

I love the quote you have at the bottom of your posts....

Fear is a very big thing to people and very irrational at times.... unfortunately this is one of them times....

It's so sad....

be well
louis

Bamboozle · 05-27-2009, 07:07 AM

For them, it's all about control and comfort. Besides, they just don't care. Or think. Or have a conscience.

The more I learn about people, the less I like them.

**Done_With_It** · 05-27-2009, 11:12 AM

It all makes me sick.

You should have seen it around here last night...
I think this it's probably just the beginning again
also.

**Done_With_It** · 05-27-2009, 11:18 AM

Take the Pledge - Facebook - Equality California

Eroica · 05-27-2009, 04:25 PM

The courts upheld prop 8 because it legitimately passed, whether we like the law or not. I'm not too worried though because as we know other states have recently legalized gay marriage. Eventually, it will happen. Once people get accustomed to seeing gay married couples and realize the world isn't falling apart then they'll be more ok with it. The Right might get desperate and try to pass marriage bills but I seriously doubt they'll make it out of the democrat controlled congress.

Draysin · 05-27-2009, 04:51 PM

can get furious and all that but I see things are changing and this will change too.
They'll throw it back to the people to vote on down the road and I'm going to place $$ that it will pass the net time 'round.

Bamboozle · 05-27-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eroica

The courts upheld prop 8 because it legitimately passed, whether we like the law or not.

Doesn't matter.

The amendment/revision is unconstitutional. The decision is based upon a technicality. I admit that the opponents should have gone for the unconstitutional angle (that was their mistake), but the fact remains that the amendment/revision is still glaringly, blatantly, unmistakably unconstitutional.

This decision is decidedly dangerous. A majority of people can collaborate to force a vote to take away minority rights. I wonder what the next proposition will be? Scary.

Eroica · 05-27-2009, 07:06 PM

Yea I guess it would be scary. Unless the proposition is something I believe in. lol And we can get away with wording it deceptively too.

I agree with u that it violates equal protection rights, if thats what you meant. But how the system is structured the judges made the decision what they thought was right, I don't think it was necessarily about bigotry with them specifically. I mean, they thought it was it constitutional.. Whats constitional to begin with is determined by them. We can say they're biased but the Right says the same thing when we get our way.

Its awfully confusing.. because you can amend the california constitution without actually revising it, even if you do revise it. I guess its kinda flimsy if all it takes to revise the constitution is a new proposition. And its sad that it came down to words, when its so blatantly discrimination.

jhvw2000 · 05-27-2009, 11:12 PM

I was sad to to see that this was defeated. Even now when people I grew up with are getting married in my home state of Iowa. I mean freakin midwest Iowa and California can't even figure out what they want to do. My friends in LA are going to protests the next few days, I would like to be there just to be a part of it. Things will change with time I'm sure.

**nandm** · 05-28-2009, 12:23 AM

Here are some things each of us can do to help:

Take Action: I DO support the freedom to marry

Courage Campaign | 1 Million for Marriage Equality: Watch "Fidelity" and sign the pledge (the video of the ad they are going to air in California is great)

jhay · 05-28-2009, 03:22 AM

We just have to keep on going and getting out there on the streets. Did anyone else attend your local Day of Decision rally?

Find out what's going on near you.:
JOIN THE IMPACT: Unite For LGBTQ Equality! - Join the Impact

The Million Gay March is approaching as well:
March for Equality Home - March for Equality!

Want a free bumper sticker supporting gay marriage courtesy of CREDO?
https://act.credoaction.com/stickers...c=taf.stickers

http://wontbackdown.org/

05-27-2009, 03:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
*indigo* Community Greeter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Mid-Life Express Posts: 9,919	Prop8 It made me sad to read that California upheld Prop 8 yesterday, I can't understand why people continue to live their lives as they please (straight) and we get homophobia from so many of these so called 'upright citizens' __________________ When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself." Namasté

05-27-2009, 07:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bamboozle Watch out...it'll fool ya! Duck Hunt 2 Champion! Alien Rescue Champion! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Underwater Posts: 3,475 Blog Entries: 12	For them, it's all about control and comfort. Besides, they just don't care. Or think. Or have a conscience. The more I learn about people, the less I like them. __________________ A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

05-27-2009, 11:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Done_With_It !!..Rhythm Nation..!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hollywood Posts: 8,987 Blog Entries: 15	It all makes me sick. You should have seen it around here last night... I think this it's probably just the beginning again also. __________________ Living in fast forward Hollywood RockStar outta control Need to rewind real slow Always Runin Time to take control Oh yeah ... "Never let the odds keep you from doing what You know in your heart you were meant to do."

05-27-2009, 11:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
Done_With_It !!..Rhythm Nation..!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hollywood Posts: 8,987 Blog Entries: 15	Take the Pledge - Facebook - Equality California __________________ Living in fast forward Hollywood RockStar outta control Need to rewind real slow Always Runin Time to take control Oh yeah ... "Never let the odds keep you from doing what You know in your heart you were meant to do."

05-27-2009, 04:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Eroica Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Htown, baby! Posts: 348	The courts upheld prop 8 because it legitimately passed, whether we like the law or not. I'm not too worried though because as we know other states have recently legalized gay marriage. Eventually, it will happen. Once people get accustomed to seeing gay married couples and realize the world isn't falling apart then they'll be more ok with it. The Right might get desperate and try to pass marriage bills but I seriously doubt they'll make it out of the democrat controlled congress. __________________ "If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening." Frederick Douglass

05-27-2009, 06:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
louis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Here's me. but when drinking could be found in doorways! Posts: 802	I think its more a case of "uptight" rather than "upright".... citizens!!!! I love the quote you have at the bottom of your posts.... Fear is a very big thing to people and very irrational at times.... unfortunately this is one of them times.... It's so sad.... be well louis

05-27-2009, 04:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Draysin Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 41 Blog Entries: 9	can get furious and all that but I see things are changing and this will change too. They'll throw it back to the people to vote on down the road and I'm going to place $$ that it will pass the net time 'round.

05-27-2009, 07:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
Eroica Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Htown, baby! Posts: 348	Yea I guess it would be scary. Unless the proposition is something I believe in. lol And we can get away with wording it deceptively too. I agree with u that it violates equal protection rights, if thats what you meant. But how the system is structured the judges made the decision what they thought was right, I don't think it was necessarily about bigotry with them specifically. I mean, they thought it was it constitutional.. Whats constitional to begin with is determined by them. We can say they're biased but the Right says the same thing when we get our way. Its awfully confusing.. because you can amend the california constitution without actually revising it, even if you do revise it. I guess its kinda flimsy if all it takes to revise the constitution is a new proposition. And its sad that it came down to words, when its so blatantly discrimination. __________________ "If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening." Frederick Douglass

05-27-2009, 11:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
jhvw2000 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 64	I was sad to to see that this was defeated. Even now when people I grew up with are getting married in my home state of Iowa. I mean freakin midwest Iowa and California can't even figure out what they want to do. My friends in LA are going to protests the next few days, I would like to be there just to be a part of it. Things will change with time I'm sure.

05-28-2009, 12:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
nandm Life the gift of recovery! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Home is where the heart is Posts: 5,310	Here are some things each of us can do to help: Take Action: I DO support the freedom to marry Courage Campaign \| 1 Million for Marriage Equality: Watch "Fidelity" and sign the pledge (the video of the ad they are going to air in California is great) __________________ NOTE: All Big Book quotes are from the First Edition of the Big Book WHY DOGS LIVES ARE SO MUCH SHORTER THAN HUMANS: People are born so that they can learn how to live a good life -- like loving everybody all the time and being nice. Well, dogs already know how to do that, so they don't have to stay as long

05-28-2009, 03:22 AM	#12 (permalink)
jhay Emotionally Adjusting Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 42	We just have to keep on going and getting out there on the streets. Did anyone else attend your local Day of Decision rally? Find out what's going on near you.: JOIN THE IMPACT: Unite For LGBTQ Equality! - Join the Impact The Million Gay March is approaching as well: March for Equality Home - March for Equality! Want a free bumper sticker supporting gay marriage courtesy of CREDO? https://act.credoaction.com/stickers...c=taf.stickers http://wontbackdown.org/

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