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03-12-2009, 12:06 PM
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Neither is he.
__________________ We call them dumb animals, and so they are, for they cannot tell us how they feel, but they do not suffer less because they have no words. - Anna Sewell - So oftentimes it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key. - The Eagles |
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03-12-2009, 12:31 PM
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He's an idiot (IMHO, of course.) Love your avatar!!
__________________ We call them dumb animals, and so they are, for they cannot tell us how they feel, but they do not suffer less because they have no words. - Anna Sewell - So oftentimes it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key. - The Eagles |
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03-12-2009, 01:02 PM
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| with a new light in my eyes  Join Date: May 2007 Location: Littleton, Co.
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This frightens me that your preacher would say something like that to you. I'm assuming you told him about your alcoholism and then he crushed you with his thoughts on the subject. Are there any other churches nearby that you could switch to.
__________________ The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, not to worry about the future, or not to anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly. |
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03-12-2009, 01:19 PM
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It takes an alcoholic to know one. If he was an alcoholic....which there r pastors, ministers who have had addictions....whether it be drugs, alcohol, porno, gambling..... If he is not an alcoholic or has problems with it then he has no idea. I look to a pastor, priest, minister for faith and belief if necessary.... I look to AA to help me live life without alcoholic by following the 12 steps and principles set down before me in recovery. Im not gonna take anyones inventory because im in no position to judge them. My faith and belief comes from within and from my up bringing. It's a personal preference. I need AA and I need my faith and I need my doctors and u guys and anyone else that is needed down the line. 
__________________ "A FRIEND IN NEED IS A FRIEND INDEED" SHARON B.  Baton Rouge, La. 8-11-90 I turn my will and life over to the care of a Power greater than I on a daily bases for guidance, care and protection. |
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03-12-2009, 01:20 PM
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I'm a pastor....and I say he's dead wrong. Everybody has opinions, and pastor's can be VERY opinionated...but it doesn't mean that they are right. Some folks need a lesson in empathy and humility, to reach and help others with a servant's heart. Sounds like he needs this lesson. God bless ya! |
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03-12-2009, 01:23 PM
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| Psalm 118:24  |  Quote:
I knew, there was something I liked about you
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03-12-2009, 01:36 PM
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| with a new light in my eyes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Littleton, Co.
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I said preacher up above; I meant pastor! I recently started a new church that I love, I knew it was the right one from the moment I steped inside. The pastor and his wife are lovely people and I will feel quite comfortable telling them about my alcoholism. I want that for you too Shallot.
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03-12-2009, 01:39 PM
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Thanks czing. Pastor's can be alcoholics too....being both I think that's pretty obvious. I have spoken with some other fellow pastors and have done some reading on this subject....up to 25% of ordained ministers in the evangelical christian church have had...or do have a problem with substance abuse. (Not sure about the catholic priesthood.) Physiological maladies don't discriminate if you happen to be clergy. And it can be a high stress position...especially if it's your vocation. I'd like to know what this pastor says about these statistics. God bless him. |
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03-12-2009, 01:45 PM
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I was a lector at our Catholic church. Our priest we had for a short time was an alcoholic. We served non alcohol wine for communion. Grrr, I was used to finishing up what was in the chalice
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03-12-2009, 01:50 PM
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TS.. I am so sorry about this. The first thing I want to say to you is not to allow yourself to feel condemnation by your pastor. He is a human being, not our God. He is obviously uninformed..whether by choice, or he truly believes "it's just plain sinning"... I admire your courage in confessing your problem to him in the first place. And I am so glad you have SR to lean on in a time like this. I hesitate to ask about changing churches..but if it means risking your sobriety and serenity..what about it? Prayers :praying: 
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03-12-2009, 01:59 PM
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I would say this, "an alcoholic does 'choose' to drink before he/she begins drinking, after that the on/off switch that does not work in our brains takes over." The first drink, or the first drink thereafter, is a choice. I'm choosing not to drink right now in my life, that is my choice. But I did not choose the malfunctioning brain synaps that cause me to NOT be able to walk away from it when I start. Alcoholism is a physiological disease/malfunction, I'm pretty sure that has been scientifically proven. But I do think we can say that, if an alcoholic can be sober long enough to make a sound and thoughtful decision...the next drink is a choice. How does that sound? The gay lifestyle is another subject all together, I'm not sure where your pastor came up with the analogy. Christ loves gay's and alcoholics....He just doesn't like what they do. |
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03-12-2009, 04:14 PM
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So now you know that this is someone who will not be able to offer you the kind of support that you need. I'm guessing your pastor may have some issue with alcohol himself because when pointing a finger the other three point back to me. I'm praying that you will find some good support from some other Christians. I get my recovery support in Al-Anon where I sometimes find fellow believers and sometimes don't. Either way- I try to stick with my meetings for that kind of support instead of going to people who don't 'get it' about this disease. It's not much different from the days when having PMS or depression was considered at best an imagined malady and at worst a character flaw. I can't control what others believe but I can step out of their way in order to protect myself. I'm sure by now you know that you have plenty of support on SR and here in CIR too. |
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03-12-2009, 04:16 PM
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 | I am both an addict and gay - I can't help wondering where your pastor came up with this comparison. When I think about alcohol abuse, sexuality and greediness certainly do not spring to mind. In any case, I am glad to notice that you are searching for answers and input that will hopefully enable you to form your own opinion Quote:
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03-12-2009, 08:28 PM
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| Addiction is a full time job  |  Sounds like your Pastor isn't very bright. Sorry, but alcoholism is a disease, and it has nothing to do with greed. Being gay is not a disease either. Sounds like that pastor shouldn't be a pastor if you ask me. It's time to find another church. At least I would. Joeyboy
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03-12-2009, 09:07 PM
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Well he also is a hardcore Republican that feels Obama is the anti-Christ. I didt vote for Obama (or McCain) but I dont think THAT of him. Anyhew, he says if ya go to service and what he calls Bible study and just hang out with people from the Church everything will be peachy. He ALSO says that AA is breading ground for atheists, luke-warm Christians and people that SHOULD just go to Church or form a group in the Church. One AA meeting I went to 8 years ago had people mad at me that I mentioned Jesus, so I can somewhat see his point.
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03-12-2009, 09:14 PM
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He's an idiot.
__________________ We call them dumb animals, and so they are, for they cannot tell us how they feel, but they do not suffer less because they have no words. - Anna Sewell - So oftentimes it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key. - The Eagles |
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03-12-2009, 09:23 PM
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He sounds kinda harsh. I struggle with the disease model myself, but I don't think he sounds very loving. We all struggle in daily in sin in our thoughts, word and deed. Some ppl struggle with all kinds of things. He needs to be more compassionate. Pray for him. Is he a young pastor? There is so much addiction now in the church, people struggling... sorry about that. (((HUGS)))
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03-12-2009, 09:40 PM
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I'm glad, I didn't come into AA with a resentment towards God. I will say this about AA , it's been instrumental in my abiding by this rule Matthew 7:12 There's a story about a new preacher dressed up like a bum at a little country church where I'm from. The story goes, the people tried to shoo the preacher away thinking, he was a panhandler. Anyway, it got time for the service to start and the preacher dressed like a bum walked up to the front of the church and this was his sermon. Matthew 25:34–36,40 AA does not turn away the sick and the suffering.
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03-12-2009, 09:46 PM
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He is a 48 year old dude that tells his wife she cant eats sweets because it makes her fat and also she has to put out whenever he wants because thats what it says in the Bible. He also told her at one time she cant drink coffee because its bad for her. He owns and runs his church. He is the one and only pastor. The place is also a Coffee House. I suppose the guy is a jack-ass. |
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