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BUTTERFLY-7 · 06-30-2008, 12:09 PM

It was taught 2 Me that is the Holy
Spirit who is the consoler then Why? I can't feel God's Love
or forgiveness, or nevertheless his consoler, (the Holy Spirit)

I bee thinking that God Doesn't accept me, or like me,
every time I pass for prayer the Holy Spirit would ministrade
to everybody sinners, people that are stable in there spirit,
people that are playing with him,It would Talk in a gentle, and mercy full way, then Why??? when I pass there is this silence no ministration, no comforting words of healing no don't give up, don't quit,

Has he gave up on me is he mad at me I can't understand allot I'm even hurt by this silent from God he will ministrade, to everyone and give them Hope, but Why?????
when I pass is this silent from him Why?????????????

then another think thats been Bugging me is how I see
that when U are of position and the Lord uses U they give U the first chairs, and the ones that been there first struggling
together with the pastors for the Vision of the church to come alive, we are not notice

forgive me if I sound like I want att. well I don't all my life
I when trough that in my up bringing were my cousins were better cause they were the smartest of the
family, and we were label as the black sheep's of the family

and here I'm going to church to find a different's in the
way life was back then, and I find my self dealing with the same scenarios, doesn't the Bible teaches us not to make acceptions of people, were is the Godly Beliefs, and Values, it sicking my stomach, see that happened in the House of the Lord, I'm very Angry as a Christian to see this happened,

do U want to know how my Pastors makes me ,like a rag that u use to wipe the table, and then just use it when u need it, again and we were the first ones to star the church and here comes a family of Ministers, with there wifes, &
children's, and they get the first plates, they get all the first privileges, and here I'm cleaning after there mess
I know we got to serve others, but you should see how the pastors treat them they are specialty's, I'm not jealous God Bless them, and may they Grow in Christ, and keep delivering the word of God, But we are forgotten by the church, and by God, I guess I'm so Angry!!It's not suppose to be like that, it suppose to be equality, and justice for all,

seen all this, and Experiencing all this, and not been able to comprehended it, is making me into a Bitter, Sour,Resented,
& Angry,Hurtful Christian

But it is, what it is!!!!!

RobbyRobot · 06-30-2008, 12:45 PM

hi BUTTERFLY-7,

i am a christian too. and like you i have been angry, hurt, and depressed. i also had difficulty understanding that God still loved me and was helping me each day. Sometimes i just couldn't feel it at all.

it is sad that humans have such challenges in our lives, but it is also happy that we overcome those same challenges, and live better lives. its not really up to us how the world is day to day. we really can't change the world much in just any one day we may think we should but we just can't, and you already know that.

did you know that your questions are the same questions that have been asked by millions of others for thousands of years? yes butterfly-7, the same questions now and thousands of years ago.

there was nothing wrong in asking your questions, and as a matter of fact you are being smart and honest to have the courage to ask. i wish i could give you an answer that would change all the conditions that make you cry out, but i can't. i can tell you, that i too cryed out, and millions of others have as well, so you are not alone.

and let me tell you this as well please. God loves me and loves and accepts you as well. there was a time i felt like you. i remember it well. it was a scary time in my life. eventually i got through it and it was not from having an easy life. no my life was hard and tough but i still learned to love others as i loved my self and from that i learned God loved me and others as well.

thank you butter-7 for your emotional post. you are trying to be honest and figure things out and that is a loving thing to do.

BUTTERFLY-7 · 06-30-2008, 04:07 PM

RobbyRobot Luv U'r Scream Name
What I need 2 Know why? Dos it effects me so much Why?
do I feel it so deep to the bottoms of my soul the Pain of everything
I experience weather B in church,or out side, my Ques???? is
Why???????I know people that go trough ruff times in there life
and bounce back, but to me it effects me in such a way
that I could feel the pain, so deep then turns in to anger, and then Bitterness,
this Month I been feeling really Bitter like some were that Butterfly
something happened to her she wasn't suppose to turn out Bitter
help me Understand, Please Don't Judge, or Criticize,
this Thread, if U can't relate I will understand, and if U can Please Help me Understand Why???????????????? Thanks RobbyRobot

***cmc*** · 06-30-2008, 04:36 PM

Hi Butterfly,
I can't anwer your question "Why?" but to say that we all go through times of intense emotions and times of not understanding why things happen like they do.
Reading in Psalms helps me alot when I'm struggling.
I hope you're feeling better soon.

BUTTERFLY-7 · 06-30-2008, 05:03 PM

thanx cmc only God knows what I'm trying to put out in the table
it's scary because I know who I'm with all my defects,& inperfections
I'm loving & caring but the way I been feeling certain things affect me
is scary is like I'm wrestling with Demons of Anger, Pain, and hurt
may God help me is like a war fair inside of me

please just pray for me

stone · 06-30-2008, 05:04 PM

I think God wants you to be happy, Butter.

BUTTERFLY-7 · 06-30-2008, 05:12 PM

How do I do that?????if my days and nights are feel with uncertainties
and clouded days!!!!!!!!!

stone · 06-30-2008, 05:16 PM

You are already doing it.

The_Hammer · 06-30-2008, 05:39 PM

Start by making a real effort to loving yourself. You admit you have an issue-good. You acknowledge the power of God to restore you-good. Now humbly ask Him to do what you can't do for yourself. Next-clean house. DO a searching and fearless moral inventory of yourself. Take your time doing it, and count your good points too. Then admit to God, yourself and another person the exact nature of your wrongs.

Now you are on your way to loving yourself and feeling God's blessing and love in your life.

BUTTERFLY-7 · 06-30-2008, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Hammer

Start by making a real effort to loving yourself. You admit you have an issue-good. You acknowledge the power of God to restore you-good. Now humbly ask Him to do what you can't do for yourself. Next-clean house. DO a searching and fearless moral inventory of yourself. Take your time doing it, and count your good points too. Then admit to God, yourself and another person the exact nature of your wrongs.

Now you are on your way to loving yourself and feeling God's blessing and love in your life.

thats the problem I could love others but i criticize my self to much and I'm to perfectionist
when I fall short out of the Glory of God I condemned
my self and beat my self

too much

about the fearless moral inventory I don't know how to get to that place yet I admit that I must be consistent
with this recovery and I'm not I star meetings then I let Go

but thanx Bother Hummer

splendra · 06-30-2008, 06:53 PM

Jesus said Love your neighbor as yourself....to me this implies that loving yourself is important to loving others.

After all how can we give love if we don't love ourselves first? How can we give what we do not have?

Love is not people pleasing. Love and truth go together. God does love you rest assured of that. He will fill you up to over flowing allow yourself to feel His love. He wants to give you your hearts desire. Allow yourself to accept the gift of forgiveness accept the blood transfusion that makes you HIS. Praise Him!

BUTTERFLY-7 · 06-30-2008, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splendra

Jesus said Love your neighbor as yourself....to me this implies that loving yourself is important to loving others.

After all how can we give love if we don't love ourselves first? How can we give what we do not have?

Love is not people pleasing. Love and truth go together. God does love you rest assured of that. He will fill you up to over flowing allow yourself to feel His love. He wants to give you your hearts desire. Allow yourself to accept the gift of forgiveness accept the blood transfusion that makes you HIS. Praise Him!

You know thats funny splendra, I could love others even if I can't love my self enough, because since I didn't have that love as a child, and I know how important it is to have love
I'm able to give it to others

I don't know if U understand what I'm trying 2 say please
B patients with me I'm not good at pin pointing what it is
that I want to say I'm not good at expressing my self trough words don't get me wrong I appreciate your comment Thanx

RobbyRobot · 06-30-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUTTERFLY-7

RobbyRobot Luv U'r Scream Name
What I need 2 Know why? Dos it effects me so much Why?
do I feel it so deep to the bottoms of my soul the Pain of everything
I experience weather B in church,or out side, my Ques???? is
Why???????I know people that go trough ruff times in there life
and bounce back, but to me it effects me in such a way
that I could feel the pain, so deep then turns in to anger, and then Bitterness,
this Month I been feeling really Bitter like some were that Butterfly
something happened to her she wasn't suppose to turn out Bitter
help me Understand, Please Don't Judge, or Criticize,
this Thread, if U can't relate I will understand, and if U can Please Help me Understand Why???????????????? Thanks RobbyRobot

BUTTERFLY-7,

yes, certainly i can relate about a terrible bitterness that at times i too have felt. The Book of Job is nourishment at times like these i have found. We all have heard about the story of Job and his dialogue with God. May i suggest a look at Job 10:1 as a start. Job speaks directly from his bitterness as well.

imho the bitterness effects us simply from our natural human imperfections and not from our personal misfortunes. please be gentle with your fears, for you will find your way; your courage is strong and in abundance, and a joy to share. you can have balance. endeavour to shed any despair away from your day.

have a good journey.

The_Hammer · 07-01-2008, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUTTERFLY-7

thats the problem I could love others but i criticize my self to much and I'm to perfectionist
when I fall short out of the Glory of God I condemned
my self and beat my self

too much

about the fearless moral inventory I don't know how to get to that place yet I admit that I must be consistent
with this recovery and I'm not I star meetings then I let Go

but thanx Bother Hummer

The first three steps is "How", I laid that out for you dear.

BUTTERFLY-7 · 07-01-2008, 11:40 AM

RobyRobot thats it thats what my heart couldn't understand thanx RobbyRobot, and to all of yous Guys, But there is certain things that a person says, and cling it rings then it all stars making sense

Job you allow me to understand that Job, and many other characters of the Bibles, weather there were mans of God they all share one thing
in common, and they share it with us, is that they also felt into
Depression, and they were also in the Dark Nights, Thanx Gang
and here I'm thinking that it's Bad to confess all this Because thats what they teach you in church

Don't confess sickness,Don't confess Defeat,Don't confess your this, and tha,t so Now I feel Free Thanx RobbyRobot & everybody 4'r U'r input

thats what you call Giving Mix signal.

thisgoodday · 07-08-2008, 10:57 AM

I have been depressed all my life. It's been worse the last few years
and I'm on medicine. I've had counseling, pastoral help, I have a great husband,
I go to church, but I am always depressed. One clue is that my dad is an alcoholic.
He came to live with us a year ago and about 9 months ago quit drinking. I am thankful
for that, but I am still angry.

06-30-2008, 12:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
BUTTERFLY-7 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: inside my Brain Posts: 1,065	Why? "Dos this Effects me so Much" It was taught 2 Me that is the Holy Spirit who is the consoler then Why? I can't feel God's Love or forgiveness, or nevertheless his consoler, (the Holy Spirit) I bee thinking that God Doesn't accept me, or like me, every time I pass for prayer the Holy Spirit would ministrade to everybody sinners, people that are stable in there spirit, people that are playing with him,It would Talk in a gentle, and mercy full way, then Why??? when I pass there is this silence no ministration, no comforting words of healing no don't give up, don't quit, Has he gave up on me is he mad at me I can't understand allot I'm even hurt by this silent from God he will ministrade, to everyone and give them Hope, but Why????? when I pass is this silent from him Why????????????? then another think thats been Bugging me is how I see that when U are of position and the Lord uses U they give U the first chairs, and the ones that been there first struggling together with the pastors for the Vision of the church to come alive, we are not notice forgive me if I sound like I want att. well I don't all my life I when trough that in my up bringing were my cousins were better cause they were the smartest of the family, and we were label as the black sheep's of the family and here I'm going to church to find a different's in the way life was back then, and I find my self dealing with the same scenarios, doesn't the Bible teaches us not to make acceptions of people, were is the Godly Beliefs, and Values, it sicking my stomach, see that happened in the House of the Lord, I'm very Angry as a Christian to see this happened, do U want to know how my Pastors makes me ,like a rag that u use to wipe the table, and then just use it when u need it, again and we were the first ones to star the church and here comes a family of Ministers, with there wifes, & children's, and they get the first plates, they get all the first privileges, and here I'm cleaning after there mess I know we got to serve others, but you should see how the pastors treat them they are specialty's, I'm not jealous God Bless them, and may they Grow in Christ, and keep delivering the word of God, But we are forgotten by the church, and by God, I guess I'm so Angry!!It's not suppose to be like that, it suppose to be equality, and justice for all, seen all this, and Experiencing all this, and not been able to comprehended it, is making me into a Bitter, Sour,Resented, & Angry,Hurtful Christian But it is, what it is!!!!!
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06-30-2008, 05:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
stone Pastafarian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 10,005	I think God wants you to be happy, Butter.
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stone Pastafarian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 10,005	You are already doing it.
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06-30-2008, 05:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
The_Hammer Jesus is just alright with me. Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bugaha, NE Posts: 722	Start by making a real effort to loving yourself. You admit you have an issue-good. You acknowledge the power of God to restore you-good. Now humbly ask Him to do what you can't do for yourself. Next-clean house. DO a searching and fearless moral inventory of yourself. Take your time doing it, and count your good points too. Then admit to God, yourself and another person the exact nature of your wrongs. Now you are on your way to loving yourself and feeling God's blessing and love in your life.
	__________________ Blessings, Jimmy "As I climb onto your back, I will promise not to sting I will tell you what you want to hear and not mean anything Then I treat you like a dog as I shoot my venom in You pretend you didn't know that I am a scorpion" Dave M.

06-30-2008, 06:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
splendra the girl can't help it Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: splendraville Posts: 4,567	Jesus said Love your neighbor as yourself....to me this implies that loving yourself is important to loving others. After all how can we give love if we don't love ourselves first? How can we give what we do not have? Love is not people pleasing. Love and truth go together. God does love you rest assured of that. He will fill you up to over flowing allow yourself to feel His love. He wants to give you your hearts desire. Allow yourself to accept the gift of forgiveness accept the blood transfusion that makes you HIS. Praise Him!
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06-30-2008, 12:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
RobbyRobot hello world Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Our little island... Posts: 299	hi BUTTERFLY-7, i am a christian too. and like you i have been angry, hurt, and depressed. i also had difficulty understanding that God still loved me and was helping me each day. Sometimes i just couldn't feel it at all. it is sad that humans have such challenges in our lives, but it is also happy that we overcome those same challenges, and live better lives. its not really up to us how the world is day to day. we really can't change the world much in just any one day we may think we should but we just can't, and you already know that. did you know that your questions are the same questions that have been asked by millions of others for thousands of years? yes butterfly-7, the same questions now and thousands of years ago. there was nothing wrong in asking your questions, and as a matter of fact you are being smart and honest to have the courage to ask. i wish i could give you an answer that would change all the conditions that make you cry out, but i can't. i can tell you, that i too cryed out, and millions of others have as well, so you are not alone. and let me tell you this as well please. God loves me and loves and accepts you as well. there was a time i felt like you. i remember it well. it was a scary time in my life. eventually i got through it and it was not from having an easy life. no my life was hard and tough but i still learned to love others as i loved my self and from that i learned God loved me and others as well. thank you butter-7 for your emotional post. you are trying to be honest and figure things out and that is a loving thing to do.

06-30-2008, 04:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
BUTTERFLY-7 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: inside my Brain Posts: 1,065	RobbyRobot Luv U'r Scream Name What I need 2 Know why? Dos it effects me so much Why? do I feel it so deep to the bottoms of my soul the Pain of everything I experience weather B in church,or out side, my Ques???? is Why???????I know people that go trough ruff times in there life and bounce back, but to me it effects me in such a way that I could feel the pain, so deep then turns in to anger, and then Bitterness, this Month I been feeling really Bitter like some were that Butterfly something happened to her she wasn't suppose to turn out Bitter help me Understand, Please Don't Judge, or Criticize, this Thread, if U can't relate I will understand, and if U can Please Help me Understand Why???????????????? Thanks RobbyRobot

06-30-2008, 04:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
*cmc* Community Greeter Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: a good state of mind Posts: 8,690	Hi Butterfly, I can't anwer your question "Why?" but to say that we all go through times of intense emotions and times of not understanding why things happen like they do. Reading in Psalms helps me alot when I'm struggling. I hope you're feeling better soon.

06-30-2008, 05:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
BUTTERFLY-7 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: inside my Brain Posts: 1,065	thanx cmc only God knows what I'm trying to put out in the table it's scary because I know who I'm with all my defects,& inperfections I'm loving & caring but the way I been feeling certain things affect me is scary is like I'm wrestling with Demons of Anger, Pain, and hurt may God help me is like a war fair inside of me please just pray for me

06-30-2008, 05:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
BUTTERFLY-7 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: inside my Brain Posts: 1,065	How do I do that?????if my days and nights are feel with uncertainties and clouded days!!!!!!!!!

07-01-2008, 11:40 AM	#15 (permalink)
BUTTERFLY-7 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: inside my Brain Posts: 1,065	RobyRobot thats it thats what my heart couldn't understand thanx RobbyRobot, and to all of yous Guys, But there is certain things that a person says, and cling it rings then it all stars making sense Job you allow me to understand that Job, and many other characters of the Bibles, weather there were mans of God they all share one thing in common, and they share it with us, is that they also felt into Depression, and they were also in the Dark Nights, Thanx Gang and here I'm thinking that it's Bad to confess all this Because thats what they teach you in church Don't confess sickness,Don't confess Defeat,Don't confess your this, and tha,t so Now I feel Free Thanx RobbyRobot & everybody 4'r U'r input thats what you call Giving Mix signal.

07-08-2008, 10:57 AM	#16 (permalink)
thisgoodday Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ashtabula, ohio Posts: 2	I have been depressed all my life. It's been worse the last few years and I'm on medicine. I've had counseling, pastoral help, I have a great husband, I go to church, but I am always depressed. One clue is that my dad is an alcoholic. He came to live with us a year ago and about 9 months ago quit drinking. I am thankful for that, but I am still angry.