I would like your opinion on something

[sugarssweetpea]

Today after my bible study class when I was picking up my childen in the preschool & was asked if I wanted to come in to a prayer meeting. I said sure as I figure you can never pray too much. I used to work in the preschool, so I knew almost everyone there. Well, it was more than a prayer meeting. The lady that was talking was talking about God moving in her life & her being obedient & how she has not gotten much sleep lately. She asked the Holy Spirit to talk to the women through her. Jesus to talk to us through her. She went on talking a little bit more then came to me with her arms outstretched & said (like it was Jesus talking) .. I am mad at you, so very mad. I died on the cross for you & you have forgotten about me. Don't ever forget about me. I am so mad at you. You need to tell your husband. You need to tell (a former coworker of mine) that I am mad at her & that I still love her & she is my sister in Christ. She was yelling at me got down on her knees & said that I neded to come crawling & calling Him daddy. She said that she had a lot to say to everyone in the room, but time did not allow. I called her later this afternoon to ask some questions about things that she said. I asked her why she was led to say that Jesus was mad at me & what I needed to tell my husband. She said that she did not know why she said that, that she wanted to pray about it & think hard about it & make sure that what she tells me is God's words not hers. She said she would call me when she knew.

I do not know what to make of all this. I would appreciate your opinion of the situation.
Thanks.

[ANGELINA243]

I find the whole situation to be very disturbing....personally.

[ANGELINA243]

I would be concerned that she might have some type of underlying mental disorder--whether bipolar or split personality (or something else). I know I would be very uncomfortable if someone told me that--especially someone who is in charge taking care of my children. I would speak to a supervisor/her boss/head of that particular school (if there is one). They need to be made aware of this.. she sounds like she needs some help.

[sojourner]

At a church i went to years ago, someone called me (i only maybe knew this person superficially) and told me the Lord had led her to call me and then proceeded to tell me the message. I cannot for the life of me remember what that message was - it was very vague - something about remembering that God is with me..

but I was always uncomfortable with that phone call and that type of message delivery system.

My opinion of your experience is that it was disturbing. Even when Jesus talked to the woman at the well, he sent all the disciples away so he could talk to her privately. I'd also be concerned about my children being with this woman...

[best]

Many thoughts and I will use the bible to seek answers.

Disappointed
Grieved
Frustrated
but never have I seen where Jesus says He is mad at someone.

We are to test each spirit to see if it is from God.
She may have been filled with a spirit and I would use the bible to discern what was said and prove or disprove if such a message was from God.

[best]

Originally Posted by ANGELINA243

I would be concerned that she might have some type of underlying mental disorder--whether bipolar or split personality (or something else).

Or as the apostles were looked at by others...they were said to be drunk but as Peter told them...Yes but we are drunk with the Spirit of God. One of the gifts is a gift of the Spirit. I wouldn't discount what happened but I would use discernment and test the possible infilling of a spirit in someone or myself.
Not all strange happenings happen because of worldly reasons.

[riri]

Hello Sugarssweetpea,
The holy spirit was not speaking through that lady!
The holy spirit does not go around telling people Jesus is mad at them!
The holy spirit does not yell!
The holy spirit does not condemn!
Jesus's way of talking to you or making you see things is to softly speak to your heart and mind. He would speak to you, and not through a woman who sounds hysterical and self-rightious. Maybe it is that lack of sleep she was talking about?
Talk to Jesus and let him tell you himself what is on his heart.
I'm not saying that there is no such thing as prophesy, but not this kind of prophesy. There are a lot of self-appointed prophets walking about.
Real prophecy helps, is loving, extends grace, opens the heart, draws one nearer to Jesus, even if some things that are hurtful are revealed.
When Jesus or the holy spirit talk to somebody, it is never with condemnation. Even when saying some unpleasant truths, it is said with love, grace, forgivness, and restoration and healing.

Does she rant at the kids that way also?
It would frighten them, not make them want to come closer to Jesus!
I would not want my kids to be with such a teacher!!

Talk to Jesus .
The bible says that nothing can separate us from gods love.
We may make mistakes, fall down, but with gods grace and help stand up again. So Jesus is not mad at you!
I read something very uplifting somewhere, maybe you have heard of it!

I asked Jesus how much he loves me. "Sooooooooooooo much" he said, spread out his arms and died.

[toad]

If it was a prophesy then it needs to be backed up by one or two others.

"Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge." 1 Corinthians 14:29 NKJ

If this did not happen, then it is hogwash.

[IO Storm]

Sugar...

Good biblical reference from Toad...

I've seen and experienced much of the same attending Pentecostal and charismatic

churches all my life..and you do have to be careful..

1st Timothy 5:22 instructs the apsotles to "lay hands on no man suddenly"....

This lady obviously gave no "thought" before approaching you...

And 1 John 4:1 instructs us to always test the spirits.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)

From what I have seen Sugar...is that the ultimate test of a "prophecy" is that it comes true.

The "prophet" should not have to try to remember what they said and call you back.

And it is a clear..direct..concise message.

The Holy Spirit woos...the inward result of the truth imparted is peace.

I would not approach this lady..until you have spoken to an elder or your pastor.

[sugarssweetpea]

I thank you all for your replies. It bothered me at first. Put me in a really bad mood b/c I could not figure out what in the world happened. She singled me out in a room full of people. She was the one who invited me to the prayer meeting. She also said that she had something to say to everyone in there, but htere was not enough time. Another thing that struck me funny was that she said in the middle of the rant about how I am mad at you ( speaking for Jesus), she stumbled in her speech & said something to the effect of see how tired she is that she cannot even say it right. I don't know. I have never heard of Jesus getting mad at us either. I called her to find out why she said those things & she said she did not know. She said that she has to pray about it to make sure that it is God's words, not hers. Anyway, I am not judging her, but hae been praying for God to talk to me & tell me if there is something I am doing that is really disturbing Him. As far as the supervisor, she knows & has called me to find out what was said & apologize to me. I told her what went on. I just would also like to ask for prayer for this woman. I have seen spiritual growth in her in the last few months. She never used to go to church & has been attending & I have seen her growing. I pray for wisdom for her to be able to discern what is of God & what is not as Satan likes to confuse new believers. Especially when they can be a good witness to family members that are not saved. Anyway, I would like if you would pray for her. Thanks.

[IO Storm]

Sure SSP...

Just be careful....

I used to get really messed up with stuff like that before I got into the Word....

[sugarssweetpea]

I had an hour long conversation with the lady I was in reference to in the above posts this morning. She told me why she singled me out in the meeting. She said that it was b/c of a comment that I had made about a month ago. It was a very sarcastic comment & she felt there was a lot of anger in it. She said that she knew that it was not from Jesus & was opening the door for Satan to get in b/c there was others around that were newborns in their Christian faith. She said that it was not the time to talk to me about it there & she wanted to talk to me about it outside the church quietly, but that is not how it happened. She said that the meeting was of God, that she was letting the Holy Spirit talk through her. She said that she did not even want to have the meeting, it was not her choice, she had it out of obedience to what God wanted her to do. I know that God is working in her life. I have known her for a long time & just wonder if sometimes she may not know exactly how to handle some of what Jesus is telling her. Please continue to pray for her. For wisdom to let her words be God's words. For her to continue to grow & for God to use her as to further His kingdom. Thanks.

[best]

I am glad things were explained out for you.
I have had some dealings with people misusing prayer time to direct comments at an individual. It is also good to see you are not holding any resentments towards her. Your asking for prayer for her is a loving gesture.
You are a wonderful lady.

[cmc]

You are being very gracious but I would have to say that it was her choice to confront you and should have done it biblically, in private. The God I know never acts unseemly and He set forth very clear guidelines about how to address a grievance with another believer. There is an "accuser of the brethren" and he enjoys using misguided believers to do this type of thing.

The way she did this was not in biblical order and in the future I would hope that she should be held accountable to someone who oversees or is a spiritual 'covering' over the place where this occured.

I learned a long time ago that I don't need to 'be' nor should I assume the position of the Holy Spirit. She was trying to say something from within herself and 'using' the cover of it being from God. Intentions aside, it's not right.

You know, I had a pastor do something like this to me once...when one of my kids got sick he said before our prayer group that my child was diabetic because _I_ had a lack of faith! He later told my husband that if one of 'his' children had that condition he would do something about it! This was all said and done two days after my son had nearly died.

Your friend is growing in the Lord and that is good, but I hope she recieves some instruction and correction before she causes more hurt and chaos---- which btw is not from the Holy Spirit. One of my favorite pastors often encouraged people to step out in spiritual matters but he would correct them gently when they faltered or got out of line. This is how we learn.

I greatly admire your attitude towards all of this and would say you show a great depth of humility, spirituality and growth as a Christian.

[sugarssweetpea]

Yes, I agree 100% CMC, & she is having a meeting with two of the supervisors tomorrow morning to address the issue. She has since called me back & told me that when I asked her about it the day it happened, she told me that she would pray about it before she gave me an answer. She told me that she has been doing that all day & that the Holy Spirit has revealed to her that it was not about me at all, but someone else. (So what was what she told me this morning??), then when she talked to that person today on the phone, she told her that it was not about me, but about someone in the room & she thought I knew who. I see so much confusion surrounding her. I know that there are some personal issues that she has been dealing with & some issues in the home. I ask for prayer for her for those as well & for God to give her the wisdom & discernment to know beyond a shadow of a doubt what is from Him & what is from the enemy. Thank you in advance for your prayers for her.

[Morning Glory]

I learned a long time ago if someone acts like they have more of God than I do I need to run. I had a person with the "gift of prophecy" join a church I went to once. He was very good at what he did. He was so convincing that the members of the church started to follow his direction. He had the correct details that applied to everyone he spoke to.

I was in great emotional pain at the time and he really focused on my pain. He also raised his voice at a couple of members telling them to stop sinning. I was not able to pin point a problem until he spoke to my daughter. That's where he messed up. He also talked about her pain and told he she would have lots of children to make up for having no love in her childhood. That's when I knew he was false. No one loved my daughter more than I did. I hugged and kissed her millions of times throughout her childhood and told her I loved her millions of times.

I went home and ended up on my knees asking God to forgive me for listening to this man. I told God I would only submit to him from that point on and had an overwhelming peace come over me. God has never failed to lead me. He has never failed to show me my sin in the most loving way. I've actually felt the most love from God when I deserved it the least. God has never been angry at me even through the hardest discipline. He never left me even when I was kicking against his purpose in my life. He always wins. He always loves me.

2 Peter 1
3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

I have learned to keep my eyes on Christ.

John 8:
31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Whenever someone tries to turn my eyes onto myself rather than Christ I don't listen.

[toad]

"She said that she knew that it was not from Jesus & was opening the door for Satan to get in"

Be very careful.

“Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…” (Hebrews 12:1).



"Are your eyes fixed on Jesus today? It’s so easy to let the distractions of the world and the cares of every day life to change your focus. And whatever you fix your eyes on, you open your spirit to. You can choose to fix your eyes on Jesus no matter what distractions of life are going on around you. You see, when you fix your eyes on Jesus, you are opening yourself to the Healer. You are opening yourself to the Deliverer. You are opening yourself to the Prince of Peace, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Provider, the Redeemer, the Strong Tower of refuge. What do you need in your life today? Peace? Fix your eyes on Jesus. Do you need healing? Fix your eyes on Jesus. Do you need a safe retreat? Fix your eyes on Jesus. And you may have to turn off other things that you’ve been watching so that you can fix your eyes on Him. But remember, He is your source of life and the Author and Perfecter of your faith. Fix your eyes on Him and allow Him to work in your life so that you can experience the victory He has in store for you!" (Joel and Victoria Osteen)

[Lily]

Sugarsweetpea,

Looks like you got some GREAT counsel on here! I agree w/ what ppl said on here. I always check and line up w/ what others say to me that God told them in light of scripture. You are being very gracious where I would have been just plain mad. That does show spiritual maturity on your part. Yes, she should have done like Matt 18 and gone to you one on one and told you how she felt offended. The HS doesn't call us out like that. I am glad you can see that.

Recently I was talking to a sister in Christ and she told me "that God told her not to pray for someones healing anymore (cancer) if he went back to drinking"

She also told me 6 years ago that "God told her for me not to marry my husband" I am sorry, but he is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I still love her but red flags always go up in my mind when she says the words "God told me....."

continue to be wise and check with things in light of scripture. If it does not line up, it is not from the Lord. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

blessings, Sheila <><

[JustOneMan]

Personally, I think you should stay away from that woman.

I do not believe that Jesus is capable of being angry at one of His children.

[sugarssweetpea]

Please keep praying for her. We had a long conversation today & I can really see God working in her life. She came to understand some things today that she has not been understanding. I would like to ask that you please keep praying for God to give her wisdom & discernment to know what is from God & what is not. Also that she would have understanding of God's word. Thank you.

[toad]

Sugar.........I see love demonstrated in your life.

We can all learn from you.