Topic 2: Heaven and people who killed themselves

[Alive]

I am starting a new thread..I am sorry..but i think this is a valid question too without an answer too..But i think with talk i could maybe see if my opinion is correct...

My uncle committed suicide some years ago..A lot is said in church..I honestly read the bible and make my own interpretation of it, knowing it was written many years ago and with the use of metaphors..

God knows for a person to do this it's because there's an unbearable pain...So i do believe if there is Heaven, people who do it don't have Him turn his back on them...

Isn't that the image of God you all have..a warm, and brotherly and fatherly God..?.

What i mean is...I don't believe in hell..but do you all think that could even be a possibility for people who did it, like my uncle?...


I would appreciate your opinions once again, for they matter very much to me..

[mike_mass]

Who knows what happens to the suicides hereafter. They do seem to leave behind a living hell for their survivors though.

[Alive]

It's true..but that doesn't make those people less of children of God..My uncle just wanted to rest, he never meant to hurt nobody..I honestly don't believe suicide is selfish, although it's a common thought...Like i've heard somewhere suicide is when the ability to cope with hurt is surpassed by pain...

[AUDRADAVID]

God forgives everyone, and true he had terrible pain- he did not commit ruthless murder. Even that can be forgiven by God. God forgives and loves all his people no matter what. It is not true that if u commit suicide that you don't go to heaven. At least thats what i believe and have been told by my pastor. People that don't go to heaven are people who have committed horrible acts AND have not felt sorry (repented) against what they did. i believe the good go to heaven and the bad don't. its that simple.

[rayofsunshine]

As I love the answers Billy Graham gives, here is his answer to a reader questioning suicide ........

Whenever I answer any question about suicide, I pray especially hard that God will give me the right words to say. I know that someone might be reading this who is thinking about that terrible, final act—and I never want to say anything that might encourage them to do it. God wants to help them, and no action brings greater pain to those who are left behind.

Nevertheless, I regret that your friend upset you by saying suicide is the unforgivable sin, because this is not what the Bible says. Only one sin can never be forgiven by God, and that is the sin of turning one's back on God and rejecting His offer of salvation in Christ. If we reject God, then God has no choice but to reject us. In some cases, rejecting God may lead eventually to suicide (as in the case of Judas), but not always.

God alone knows our hearts, and while suicide is never His will, He knows the pressures and difficulties your husband faced. Remember, it is by God's grace we are saved, not because we are perfect. The Bible says, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" (Ephesians 2:8).

Take comfort in Jesus' words: "He who believes in me will live, even though he dies" (John 11:25). Then ask Him to help you reach out to others who grieve or may be hurting, and to point them to Jesus, who alone gives us hope.

[best]

The theology behind what you ask is this...

Only God has the right to give life or death. When we do so ourself...we are saying...Tuff for you God. I am taking over. So that would be a rejection of God.
Reject God...you don't get into heaven.

Now as for when and why people do such things as take their own life...
Some are so blinded to reality by an illness that they may not be thinking clearly or with any amount of sanity. It would be my hope that God uses added grace in such times.

Suicide as an easy way out of living life is not acceptable. We all have problems and we all need and should bring our problems to God. "My Grace is sufficiant" The more our need, the more grace the Lord will pour out on us...as we ask.

As for your uncle... I do not know where his heart or mind was at the time. God does.
What I do know is this.... It isn't my place to say of a person is in heaven or hell...That is God's job.
Again I say this... it is my hope that a person so impared that they are blinded to what is reality...that God's grace would flow.
A person able to think clearly and going through life's struggles... I would tend to say that they have a choice... accept God's love and live with His grace to see you through or take what they think is the easy way out as you would be rejecting God.

Drugs and alcohol have taken many lives. In my opinion... many of those lives were not taken by suicide but by an illness that doesn't allow us to think clearly and it is such cases that I give hope for God's grace to impower people into heaven.

If a person is thinking to do such... I say ask the Lord for His grace. Sure saved me from myself one day, He will do the same for you.

[dave47]

I believe that anyone who commits suicide goes to heaven with a great feeling of regret that they didn't try to deal with their issues on Earth.I think that as God is all forgiving it is down to the soul to try and expain their actions and to go over all the problems they faced.Some souls may well need a period of isolation to work through this but will then be reunited with their loved ones.They will regret in some ways wasting their lives but will be met with love and sympathy.

[PaperDolls]

God = Love

[Jomey]

Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, what God has ready for those who love Him....Suicide does NOT mean that you do not love God....we, esp. those here, know what it is like to be impaired in our judgement, so only God knows what His infinite mercy holds for His flawed children...Keep the faith.

[Max.J.Milton]

i think killing yourself shows a lack of faith and trust in God to help you through it, but i think we all lose our way and it doesn't mean that we love God less, or that he loves us any less.
I'd like to think that He forgives and lets them in heaven anyway, specially as i lost an uncle and a close friend to suicide.


hmm, theres my 2 cents.