Under the cover of "change"

[In memory of miracle]

I have met some people in the program, some of the most beautiful soul's I have ever met. Just real, you know? They would give you the shirt off their back, their last dollar. With no motive. I don't feel I owe them or they "own" me. They are right there, no conditions, and you know it, because they are honest, and share honestly at meetings ( warts and all ). I would do the same for any one of them, any time.
But then...I listen to some share and they are the perfect AA. Meanwhile they talk to me about those who struggle as "slippers"...must be nice to get it on the first try, they even say they feel "better than", "superior"! What do you call this? A pat on the back with a knife? They spy, they assume, gossip."Loafers" are people who dont do exactly as they do, is this recovery? Is this honesty or compassion? Am I owned now because someone has helped me? I lost my job, because this person told my boss my eyes where red...my boss doesnt know I am in recovery, she does now!
To this person...keep your brand of recovery, it sucks. You have ruined me! Get honest, down off the high horse, before you fall. I am heartbroken, I loved my job and the friend, I thought that was. To relapse is to know suffereing, to gossip leads to ruin. I will pray for you. congradulations on your Masters Degree in recovery. Hear my heart? Its broken. Caution, lies kill.

[Phinneas]

Originally Posted by miracle

To this person...keep your brand of recovery, it sucks. You have ruined me! Get honest, down off the high horse, before you fall. I am heartbroken, I loved my job and the friend, I thought that was. To relapse is to know suffereing, to gossip leads to ruin. I will pray for you. congradulations on your Masters Degree in recovery. Hear my heart? Its broken. Caution, lies kill.

((((miracle))))

Oh how my heart breaks to hear this. I am so sorry. Most of us in recovery are open and honest and supportive to the Nth degree. Some, however, are sicker than others.

You, my friend, can and WILL rise above this. You own your own imperfections. You know what is in your head and your heart. You know the battle you face hour by hour. To THINE own self be true.

I have had fleeting thoughts of - MY program is better than hers or his or the guy on the street. Oh the ARROGANCE. Thank god for the lessons I continually learn that I am no better (or worse) than ANYONE else. Thank god for the humility and compassion I have learned the hard way - through my own descent into hell; through my own fall.

We are not saints. We seek spiritual progress, not perfection.

Dear god, let me remember and practice that today.

Blessings to you on your journey. You have love and support here for you.

:ValA018:

I agree. Rumors, lies, backstabbing, pride, egoism, judgmentalism...even the rooms of AA are not immune to these.

[best]

Some, however, are sicker than others.

and my natural tendancy is to become just as sick and want to knock someone's block off.


miracle

Another sign of the high quality of "Your" recovery

I will pray for you.

That is a true sign of quality.

Know that your recovery will carry you through many storms and above all... it will allow you to sleep nights because you did it right.

[Ann]

Nothing us more painful than trying to defend ourselves from a lie. People who tell lies like that are indeed very sick, and I know I should feel compassion, but like Best I'd like to deck them a couple of times first.

Never mind, sweetie. God will lead you through it and God will lead you to it...that beautiful "it" that is next on the plan for your life.

We're just along for the ride, we both know Who is driving this bus of life, yes?

Hugs and Love
Ann

[In memory of miracle]

I haveto apologize for this thread...I was way out of line. Alcoholic's Anonymous is a gift from g*d and should never be represented in a poor light. Please accept my sincere apologizes.
Bless, Trish

[Purrdy]

dont appologise miracle, you were only voicing your opinion thats all and you are free to do that! I agree that AA is a gift but there are some who think it should be done a certaian way ....at the end of the day if you are on the programme and it works for you then keep doing what you are doing!

As for the slippers well they are off to do some more field research and that is a gift too because it reminds us of what is out there for us if we so choose that route....

You area kind and compassionate adn willing to put the hand of AA out to anyone who needs it as would I because that is how it works....but I would protect my own sobriety first and if that meant staying away from those who are still actively drinking then that would have to be the case until they were entirely ready as the BB says there would be little I could do anyway....
Tahnks for what you siad and never appologise for who you are

Love
purrdsxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[historyteach]

((((Trish))))
If you need a little getaway, remember, there's a room here for you anytime!
Shalom!

[Phinneas]

Originally Posted by miracle

Alcoholic's Anonymous is a gift from g*d and should never be represented in a poor light. Please accept my sincere apologizes.
Bless, Trish

No apologies needed, Trish. AA IS a gift from god. The people, however, are works in progress and do have the power to hurt.

Your recovery is showing. (...)

[frankie_b]

No one has the right to deliberately cause ruin for another in the workplace or any place. Malice is malice, plain and simple. Losing a job and friend at the same time is
very hurtful.
I believe in the universal laws of cause and effect...if I deliberately set out to cause another harm...harm will happen...by putting harm out into the univerese, I in turn will be harmed, not in any way I can know,
but it will happen...call it karma or whatever you like.
Trust HP will carry you through this and more will be revealed for your own well being.
Those who lack or lose compassion for other's suffering are not really living in the solution. Character defects don't just go away by themselves.
The I'm better than them syndrome is a sure sign of complete and willful ignorance.
Hugs

[In memory of miracle]

Thank's you ((( Guy's and Gal's )))
It's just the ol' I better put my own house in order before I start pointing the finger, and you know what they say about the three pointing back at ya..*lol*
Peace, Trish

[Rusty Zipper]

it was said to me that are you happy that you have earned your Masters Degree in Recovery? while judgeing people in the rooms that aren't get'n it... i say, calmly yea right!... there is a big differance between Judgemant, and a word called Tollerance... to me, judgement is saying that someones beliefs and opinons are wrong... Tollerance, or lack of. is for me, when i listen to someones beliefs, and opinion and do not agree with them... i do not judge anyone in the rooms... they are just like me... and i them... a God made creature... i am no biger, better, smarter... i am one among many... God doesn't judge. and if i'm to reach out for the image of God, there can be no judgemant, for God dosen't judge. he fogives... a problem i'm haveing lately is here, does God judge on intensions?...yikes!, any thoughts from you guys would be welcomed. ut-oh sponser time! or bet'a yet, TPTB time... all good wishes, and teach only love... Pattee... ps guess who the thread was about? lol

[indigo]

(((Amen)))
Annie

[2stop]

I am so sad reading this......so sad. What she wrote at the end of that one post...lies kill.Man.....I am just very sad right now. Unfortunately there are people so arrogant, so intolerant.....they don't see a broken heart or the suffering.....all they see.is "ME,ME,ME" "I am better, I made it!"...........it angers me quite frankly....

(((((((((((Trish)))))))))))) I am soooo sorry for the pain and intolerance you suffered, we will love you always.......

[Phinneas]

Rusty - Listen to me. Please. You are not at fault. You are not to blame.

That is god's truth, Rusty.

Yes, talk with your sponsor, bring this to god, do the steps, work it out here... whatever it takes to make this sink in so that you KNOW.

God blesses you, Rusty, for being there with her and doing the best you knew how at the time.

(...)

[Rusty Zipper]

thanks so much phinneas... your word are soothing to my soul... as time is doing what it does... i listen to my God.... i know the evils of addiction on both sides of the fence... i do know the Rat was trying to eat me too... i do know i did my best, her oldest boy also... but as we both knew the powerlessness of it all, we just prayed and hoped... and tried not to be eat'n alive... i love you all so much, for your love and compassion for my Trish, well our Trish... all good wishes, and teach only love! ... Pattee..... lead us not into temptation

[Purrdy]

Thankyou Pattee, for your time and understanding...thankyou my freind......with love Purrdyxxxx

[OVERIT]

(((((Pattee))))))

We love you and are still thinking about you and praying for you. Take care my friend.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxo



Ang

[historyteach]

(((Pattee)))
The truth is, we all will miss Trish; none of us are anything other than human, with all our foibles; and you are a part of the SR family now.
I like what Phinny said; you are NOT at fault.
And do work it out, whatever way you need to. Don't let the demons call you back. There's enough pain already...

Shalom!

[Rusty Zipper]

phinn'y and teach, no worries... i am work'n it out, and you all at SR are a big part of it... my new family... Destiny, what a mind blower... as long as i see it in my mind, body and soul.... Kid's, i'm get'n the Soul Vacination of a life time.. i can not thank all of you enough... well yea i can... i'm at peace... today... i hope i can give a little back also? ... all good wishes, and you just bet... teach only love... Pattee

[Purrdy]

well you have helped me sweetheart.....and thankyou for your kindness and understanding....yes teach only love i can go with that.....