Percocet and Hydrocodone Addiction
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Percocet and Hydrocodone Addiction
I had surgery after a car accident and was put on Oxycodone and was on it for a little over a year now but now the pain is gone but I still take the pills are of coarse addicted to them. Want to be completely off of any pain medications for good. I do have a severe anxiety disorder and take Zoloft daily and Xanax (as needed.) I told my doctor I did not want something as strong so that I can begin weening myself. The hard part is that he will not ween me, he basically just put me on them and wants me to keep taking them. When I ask about treatment and other options as far as non narctoic pain medication he says there is nothing he can do. Will not even give me a referral. He did of coarse give me the percocet and I have 120 Norco's as well from before I never took until the last few days. I was taking 30mg Oxy 3-4x a day but stopped that completely cold turkey for 2 days and started with the Percocet to wein myself down.
Week 1-2 a day (one in the morning one at night) with 3 norcos mid day
Week 2-1 a day (half in the morning half at night) with 4 norcos a day
Week 3-1/2 a day (half in the morning half at night) with 4 norcos a day
I am about to start week 4 but with the norcos increasing I am unsure if this is going to work. Or if I am better off just cutting the percocet out, and wein from the norcos with my regular anxiety medication. Anxiety medication I have never had a problem with at all, does not even give me a high feeling. Just helps with the anxiety. Yes once off the pain meds, I would like to ween off the xanax as well. I am just unsure if this way will be easier then cold turkey. I have two more refill on my Norcos but not going back for more that is for sure. Basically if I taper myself down from the perc with the norcos and then taper down from the Norcos basically down to crumbs a day what will it be like when I am done. Withdrawals like crazy still or just bad mind games. I do not know if I should toss the norco's and just try it with the percocet but what scares me is I have been taking both for 2 weeks now after the Oxy. I tried to go to my primary care (which is the only doctor I can go to with insurance. If I need to go to a specialist she must refer me but she refuses every time. Its like pulling teeth. She put me on methadone before I started to ween myself with the percocet and the methadone just made my anxiety so much worse. I am unsure if tappering will ease the withdrawls, or keep me hooked on them. The more I taper the less high feeling I get. If anyone could give me a good timeline or suggestion as far as how to ween myself off with 120 Norcos and about 10 Percocet. I have 2 full time jobs, support my mother, and cannot afford to take time off and risk loosing my job. I am 24 years old, strong, and committed to this. My doctor like I said no offense is ignorant, and my mom is disabled unable to help. I have self control with the bottle on me because I know I will only screw myself if I take extra and will have to suffer for the days I took extra. Please any advice as far as weening, tapering, and the process once its done I would be so grateful for. Unsure if the withdrawls process is easier and faster if your taper or if you go cold turkey. I need this more then anything to turn my life around and be a better daughter but most of all person.
Week 1-2 a day (one in the morning one at night) with 3 norcos mid day
Week 2-1 a day (half in the morning half at night) with 4 norcos a day
Week 3-1/2 a day (half in the morning half at night) with 4 norcos a day
I am about to start week 4 but with the norcos increasing I am unsure if this is going to work. Or if I am better off just cutting the percocet out, and wein from the norcos with my regular anxiety medication. Anxiety medication I have never had a problem with at all, does not even give me a high feeling. Just helps with the anxiety. Yes once off the pain meds, I would like to ween off the xanax as well. I am just unsure if this way will be easier then cold turkey. I have two more refill on my Norcos but not going back for more that is for sure. Basically if I taper myself down from the perc with the norcos and then taper down from the Norcos basically down to crumbs a day what will it be like when I am done. Withdrawals like crazy still or just bad mind games. I do not know if I should toss the norco's and just try it with the percocet but what scares me is I have been taking both for 2 weeks now after the Oxy. I tried to go to my primary care (which is the only doctor I can go to with insurance. If I need to go to a specialist she must refer me but she refuses every time. Its like pulling teeth. She put me on methadone before I started to ween myself with the percocet and the methadone just made my anxiety so much worse. I am unsure if tappering will ease the withdrawls, or keep me hooked on them. The more I taper the less high feeling I get. If anyone could give me a good timeline or suggestion as far as how to ween myself off with 120 Norcos and about 10 Percocet. I have 2 full time jobs, support my mother, and cannot afford to take time off and risk loosing my job. I am 24 years old, strong, and committed to this. My doctor like I said no offense is ignorant, and my mom is disabled unable to help. I have self control with the bottle on me because I know I will only screw myself if I take extra and will have to suffer for the days I took extra. Please any advice as far as weening, tapering, and the process once its done I would be so grateful for. Unsure if the withdrawls process is easier and faster if your taper or if you go cold turkey. I need this more then anything to turn my life around and be a better daughter but most of all person.
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I still get to the point where I get a high feeling off of them. But I am afraid to not have the norcos when I have to work and take care of my mom. I dont know if I should taper off the percs then down to norcos and stop. I take a quarter of a 10mg perc 3x a day with 2 norcos in the morning and 2 at night. But my main side effect is anxiety and restless legs but never have I gone cold turkey. I weened off the roxy 30mg for 2 weeks and then 2 weeks of methadone but it made my anxiety worse. If I am able to taper down to 1 or 2 Norcos a day when I just stop what will it be like? Long withdrawls for days? When on the methadone only had achy legs, and anxiety as well. I was taking 2mg twice a day. I dont know if methadone was a better option to do get it over and done with quick or if weening off the pain meds is a better option.
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The painkillers you can do...Take a long weekend.
The xanax is a rough one. After going thru it, I now believe you should taper off that stuff.
I just went thru a similar wd. I couldn't believe how hard the xanax was to get over! For me, it was 5 times as horrible mentally and terrible in a nervous system kind of way physically. Kicking the opiates will be good practice
It's been a month for me. Good luck. You can do it!
The xanax is a rough one. After going thru it, I now believe you should taper off that stuff.
I just went thru a similar wd. I couldn't believe how hard the xanax was to get over! For me, it was 5 times as horrible mentally and terrible in a nervous system kind of way physically. Kicking the opiates will be good practice
It's been a month for me. Good luck. You can do it!
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Regarding tapering:
All I can tell you is from my own experience. My DOC is Oxy...at it's worst, intermittently during the 2+ years prior to this February, I was up to 150-200 mg. a day. I tried several times to taper unsuccessfully. I just didn't have the will, and was too scared of the pain of Detox & Withdrawal.
What you seem to be describing here is more of a two-opiate juggling act rather than a legitimate taper. The reason I say that, is initially while reducing your oxy you increased the Norcos...which if I'm not mistaken are 10 mg. hydrocodone but with 325 mg. acetaminophen. I agree with Opio--it would seem a taper that actually makes a difference would put you into a mild amount of withdrawal.
It sounds as though you need to do this: ask your insurance to be assigned a new primary care physician, if possible. It sounds like either you have a horrible, illogical doctor, or she are being told to medicate people rather than spend $$$ on solving people's medical issues, and she feels constrained by undocumented, internal mandates meant to save $$$ for the Corporate CEO's bonuses....or both.
For me, I had to go Cold Turkey. Yes it was hell for a week. I finally realized that if I didn't do so, and waited 'til ALL of my money was gone, and if I started selling stuff until THAT money was gone, at some point I still had to stop....other than the fact I could feel it killing me, and also felt it was causing Opiod induced hyperalgesia.
Opioid-induced hyperalgesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IMO you need to get another doctor somehow, and get medical supervision for a better controlled taper.
All I can tell you is from my own experience. My DOC is Oxy...at it's worst, intermittently during the 2+ years prior to this February, I was up to 150-200 mg. a day. I tried several times to taper unsuccessfully. I just didn't have the will, and was too scared of the pain of Detox & Withdrawal.
What you seem to be describing here is more of a two-opiate juggling act rather than a legitimate taper. The reason I say that, is initially while reducing your oxy you increased the Norcos...which if I'm not mistaken are 10 mg. hydrocodone but with 325 mg. acetaminophen. I agree with Opio--it would seem a taper that actually makes a difference would put you into a mild amount of withdrawal.
It sounds as though you need to do this: ask your insurance to be assigned a new primary care physician, if possible. It sounds like either you have a horrible, illogical doctor, or she are being told to medicate people rather than spend $$$ on solving people's medical issues, and she feels constrained by undocumented, internal mandates meant to save $$$ for the Corporate CEO's bonuses....or both.
For me, I had to go Cold Turkey. Yes it was hell for a week. I finally realized that if I didn't do so, and waited 'til ALL of my money was gone, and if I started selling stuff until THAT money was gone, at some point I still had to stop....other than the fact I could feel it killing me, and also felt it was causing Opiod induced hyperalgesia.
Opioid-induced hyperalgesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IMO you need to get another doctor somehow, and get medical supervision for a better controlled taper.
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Feeling more at ease
If I have been taking 1/2 Perc 10mg in the morning with 1 1/2 norcos and 1 1/2 norcos mid day. On and off with the night dose. Usually take a quarter of the perc with 1-2 norcos to help me sleep. If I ween down to 1/2 a perc a day with nothing else what will by cold turkey period be like. That is what scares me the most is the cold turkey withdrawls. If on xanax too does that help. Which is 0.5 mg but take a quarter 2-3 times a day. Plan to ween off that as well once off the pain meds. But I used to run out of xanax all the time and be off it for 2 weeks and back on it because at the time a room mate was stealing them. So not too sure if I will withdraw from xanax. Today alone was a better day. Did not take anything until 1pm and took 1/2 a Perc and 1 1/2 Norcos but thats it as far as pain meds go when I should of taken my quarter and 1 Norco Tonight. I took a xanax (well my quarter) around 4pm and seem to feel fine. Just a little nerves.
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and to be clear. I have been off the 30mg Oxy for almost 4 weeks now. My doctor gave me methadone to get off of everything which was 10mg but only took 2mg twice a day. It made it worse and much harder. Went back to my pain managment doctor (he only gives methadone as well for kicking an addiction or for withdrawls. Does not even give anxiety medicaition) and he gave me 30 percs 10mg and 120 norcos 10/325. Right now for the next 5 days supposed to take 1/2 perc in morning (5mg) and (1-1/2 Norcos) but starting tomorrow no norcos with the morning dose. Mid Day 2 Norcos and night 1 quarter of perc and 1-1/2 Norcos. Doing this for 3-4 days then down from there slowly decreasing the percs but I dont want the Norcos to become a replacment. How would I do it if I weened off the percs with the Norcos within a week and then ween off the Norcos. Or is it better to just stick to the Percs and not get my refil of Norcos. I have maybe 10 Norco's left and have about 10 Percs left. What basically would be the best schedule to do this. I am sorry I am just 24 and doing this alone while taking care of my mom who has Multiple Sclerosis, taking care of my little brother, and working 2 jobs (well 3 on weekends). Need to know the best tapering schedule with that or if that is not enough to taper without having to get more from my Doctor or going into full blown mithdrawls. Or Methadone for the withdrawls I have no idea. I am not primary of my insurance either to request a new primary doctor so thats the hard part too. My step dad is and if he were to find out he would cancel it all. Thanks again for the help and concerm
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oh and my doctor wont accept tapering she is methadone all the way and like I said I cant change my primary care physican unless it was my own insurance which its not. She is a family doctor through my step dads insurance at Boeing and guess thats the way the like ir or has to be. Unsure. Second, since I moved she is over 90 min from me.
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If I should continue the taper and just fill the Norcos which gives me horrible anxiety just thought of it. I am unsure if I am better off on a 2 week treatment plan with Methadone. The only hard part with the methadone that become unbarable was the anxiety in the morning and achy legs. I am unsure what my best option is. I am deathly afraid of the withdrawls. I am unsure if I am less likley to have such bad withdrwals with the methadone or if I keep weening myself off the percs to were I am taking 3-4 Norcos a day and then go Cold Turkey to get it out of my sysyem. If so what will the withdrawls be like and average of how long until I am able to get up and function. Once there out of my system I do not crave them, I HATE them. I hate even being around them. Yesterday was supposed to talk a half of a perc (10mg) in the morning with 2 norcos and the rest of the day took nothing but a quarter of 0.5 xanax. Any thoughts?? Any answers to the questions would be greatly appreciated. I also plan to excerise every morning which I have been at least an hour, stay busy as much as I can, my fiance is great at keeping me distracted and strong. I am motivated more then ever I just need the advise and some answers to the questions my doctor does not help with. 
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I have heard 30% every 3 days is a good decrease. I just came off an oxy stint myself . All prescribed after surgery but I was starting to abuse them. Day 3 and I feel good. I will pm you too
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JF: If you get sick with the flu or some other illness. Is there someone else that has come in and taken care of your responsibilities for a day or three? If so! Then call them for back up and just stop the meds all together. Claim you have the flu. You'll be done with all this counting, tapering and worrying. It's a tough road either way you go with this.
I'm rolling around on day 11 off my opiates journey. I did the CT route.
Best wishes to you and your recovery!
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I'm rolling around on day 11 off my opiates journey. I did the CT route.
Best wishes to you and your recovery!
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First day of detox
Today I am starting the process of cold turkey. Only time I have left to do it before my moms surgery. Weened down to 7.5s of norcos 4-6 a day and 10mg of perc but only 2 quarters a day. Wondering what my withdrawals will be like, what to expect, for how long, and any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated 
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Jessica, it's great to hear that you are taking the leap.
In my personal experience opiate withdrawal peaked at around 72 hours. I was a daily user for a little under 7 years and was on a high dose when I went C/T. On the first day, the worst symptom was panic and anxiety when I thought about what I was doing. Insomnia / RLS were the worst symptoms later on during the process.
As far as tips go, I would say that you should focus on not using for a period of time that seems reasonable to you. It can be overwhelming to think about not ever using again for life, but not using for the rest of the day may seem more realistic. In the thick of it I couldn't imagine not using for the rest of the day and had to make a commitment not to use for an hour. There were other times when I could only make a commitment not to use for 5 minutes. Do whatever it takes not to use.
Another tip I would have is to try to lighten your work load / family commitments in any way possible during the withdrawal.
Exercising is good and should be started as soon in the process as possible.
In my personal experience opiate withdrawal peaked at around 72 hours. I was a daily user for a little under 7 years and was on a high dose when I went C/T. On the first day, the worst symptom was panic and anxiety when I thought about what I was doing. Insomnia / RLS were the worst symptoms later on during the process.
As far as tips go, I would say that you should focus on not using for a period of time that seems reasonable to you. It can be overwhelming to think about not ever using again for life, but not using for the rest of the day may seem more realistic. In the thick of it I couldn't imagine not using for the rest of the day and had to make a commitment not to use for an hour. There were other times when I could only make a commitment not to use for 5 minutes. Do whatever it takes not to use.
Another tip I would have is to try to lighten your work load / family commitments in any way possible during the withdrawal.
Exercising is good and should be started as soon in the process as possible.
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I am worried about how long the withdrawl period will last and until I feel I can get up in the morning and start feeling normal again and leading a normal life. I know I will have to fight the urge to use and take them again. Which I do not have I just want it done. I am just worried about how long it will take and just when I can get up and not be so drained, have horrible anxiety and to feel as if I did use but really didnt I just am normal again. Other then fighting the addiction part as far as being around it, if I am. Or just the urge to use on a bad day when things get rough. Thats my main concern. I dont have the time. I have a week. 7 days basically could push for 9 until my mom has surgery and I need to care for her, work, etc. Keep in mind I was on Roxy 30mg 3-5x a day and 10mg Fetenayl. But have been off that for over a month now and take the 7.5s Norco 4-6x a day (some days manage 3) and 2-3 QUARTERS of a 10mg percocet. I also have 2-3 10mg methadone I have not touched but heard its worse withdrawls from that if I took crumbs of once a day for the first few days. 
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I guess I just want to be sure I am doing it the quickest route based on other peoples expierences and if I am worrying myself too much about it thinking its gonna be hell for weeks when it really wont be. I am unsure.
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Jessica: It will take about three to four days for the opiates to be completely out of your system. That's the easy part. You will have the mental screaming going on in your head to use. You are going to be dealing with some hellish RLS and shakes. You might vomit and you will probably without a doubt have the runs. Take immodium AD for that. It's your body getting rid of the poison you've been feeding it for years. I must ask you. What in the world got you started on so many different opiates? I'm a little shocked over the amount you've been on.
There is an OTC medication called, Restless Legs you can get at wal-mart. Chew up 4 baby asprins or fewer to combat the chills and fever you are going to get. It usually happens about dark thirty. The chewables get into your system quicker. You are going to have absolutely little energy. Your body is going to be in a battle with itself while getting off the opiates. This is why you'll be so drained. Get you some slim fast shake powder to mix in 2% milk for shakes. These are quick and filling. You aren't going to have much of an appetite. But you HAVE TO eat to rebuild your strength.
This was some advice I got from a friend if you are interested. (This is not medical advice. The last couple of times I had to detox from Oxy's I took a regiment of multivitamins without iron and chromium picolinate, once in the morning and once at night. I made sure I ate something before I took them. They help tremendously with withdrawals). I don't like vitamins. They make me eat too much. LOL But in your case. They might be very helpful.
The info I've given here is what I just went thru 15 days ago, AGAIN. So it's all fresh in my mind. I had the drive and desire to be DONE with the bottle of opiates controlling my every waking moment and keeping me in a 12 hour sleep mode. YOU my dear apparently have reached this decision as well. Good for you. It's going to seem like you are going to go nuts, but it's the drug that has brought you to this day. It's the drugs you have to clean out of your body to get back to who you use to be and want to be.
I am doing MUCH better today. I laugh, love and even cry at the silliest things now. I enjoy getting out in the public again. I enjoy going to see friends and family again. Hell I even enjoy doing work around the home place again. It all use to be sooooooo mundane. I cook more meals now and am able to accomplish the simplist things again w/o being strung out on drugs. My energy level is coming back with each day I'm clean. But I'm also a 52 yro woman and dealing with over 100 degree temps when I'm outside doing stuff. This last w/d, detoxing has really taken a toll on this old body of mine. I don't know how many more detoxs I have in me and I don't want to find out either. I am however a 100% DAV and have reasons to be on the opiates, but I'd rather not be on them. My relationship with my husband means way more to me than the opiates. He knows all about my addiction and is very supportive of me right now. Whatever/whoever the reason is? Stick to it and get thru this. It will be behind you within the first week. YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THRU IT. People are doing the CT 24/7. So you aren't alone in your decision. You'll be laughing and thinking about the first week off the opiates 30 days from now and thinking, WOW! I actually got off of them. So take the bull by the horns and wrestle it to the ground. Call in help for your mom if you have to. Just take care of yourself right now so you'll be a better person for others.
I wish you all the good healing powers in the world that you get thru this w/o too much trouble.
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There is an OTC medication called, Restless Legs you can get at wal-mart. Chew up 4 baby asprins or fewer to combat the chills and fever you are going to get. It usually happens about dark thirty. The chewables get into your system quicker. You are going to have absolutely little energy. Your body is going to be in a battle with itself while getting off the opiates. This is why you'll be so drained. Get you some slim fast shake powder to mix in 2% milk for shakes. These are quick and filling. You aren't going to have much of an appetite. But you HAVE TO eat to rebuild your strength.
This was some advice I got from a friend if you are interested. (This is not medical advice. The last couple of times I had to detox from Oxy's I took a regiment of multivitamins without iron and chromium picolinate, once in the morning and once at night. I made sure I ate something before I took them. They help tremendously with withdrawals). I don't like vitamins. They make me eat too much. LOL But in your case. They might be very helpful.
The info I've given here is what I just went thru 15 days ago, AGAIN. So it's all fresh in my mind. I had the drive and desire to be DONE with the bottle of opiates controlling my every waking moment and keeping me in a 12 hour sleep mode. YOU my dear apparently have reached this decision as well. Good for you. It's going to seem like you are going to go nuts, but it's the drug that has brought you to this day. It's the drugs you have to clean out of your body to get back to who you use to be and want to be.
I am doing MUCH better today. I laugh, love and even cry at the silliest things now. I enjoy getting out in the public again. I enjoy going to see friends and family again. Hell I even enjoy doing work around the home place again. It all use to be sooooooo mundane. I cook more meals now and am able to accomplish the simplist things again w/o being strung out on drugs. My energy level is coming back with each day I'm clean. But I'm also a 52 yro woman and dealing with over 100 degree temps when I'm outside doing stuff. This last w/d, detoxing has really taken a toll on this old body of mine. I don't know how many more detoxs I have in me and I don't want to find out either. I am however a 100% DAV and have reasons to be on the opiates, but I'd rather not be on them. My relationship with my husband means way more to me than the opiates. He knows all about my addiction and is very supportive of me right now. Whatever/whoever the reason is? Stick to it and get thru this. It will be behind you within the first week. YOU JUST HAVE TO GET THRU IT. People are doing the CT 24/7. So you aren't alone in your decision. You'll be laughing and thinking about the first week off the opiates 30 days from now and thinking, WOW! I actually got off of them. So take the bull by the horns and wrestle it to the ground. Call in help for your mom if you have to. Just take care of yourself right now so you'll be a better person for others.
I wish you all the good healing powers in the world that you get thru this w/o too much trouble.
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First Day of CT..Timeline Help PLEASE
Day 1 of CT. Not too bad so far. Last dose was about 7pm half a perc. 0.5mg and just have anxiety, xanax is helping though, and my legs are sore. Thought it would be worse or maybe the worse part has not hit me. Or is it possible that after the medication I was on, after the accident, 30mg Roxy 3-5x a day and 15mg Fetanyl. Got off that, has been about a month, took methadone for that week and when it was getting bad decided to ween with Percocet and Hydros 10mg each. Weened from 2 Perc a day and 6-8 of Hydros to 2-3 quarters (0.5-0.7) a day. Sunday was last day on Hydro, Monday took the 3 quarters and today is the beginning to a fresh slate. Or so I hope. Worry that I will be a zombie for weeks. Worried that my withdrawls will all of a sudden hit me like a rock and all I have is xanax and advil. If anyone has an idea as far as the timeline would be with withdrawls etc. What to expect day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4 and so on...Would be so much appreciated.. not looking for medical advice just other experiences to help me to know what to expect..
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Hi Jessica,
It is great that you have made the decision to quit this evil drug. Tomorrow will be day one for me, cold turkey. But I have been down this road before and know what to expect. From reading your posts you seem very concerned about the withdrawals. I will let you know that you will not feel 100% for at least the first week. With the worst days for me at least days 3-5. That being said - this is completely something that you can survive and come out on top from. I don't want to see you so scare of going through w/d's to not quit at all. If you could wean off of the oxy 30's and fentnal (sp?) you can make it through this. You may have the chills, cold sweats, insomnia, sneezing, poor appetite, lack of energy. But if you can take a couple of days to yourself you will start to feel normal again.
It would be wise to get rid of all of your medication as well. You don't want to have it on hand when you start to feel icky. Good luck to you - I know that you can make it through this!!
It is great that you have made the decision to quit this evil drug. Tomorrow will be day one for me, cold turkey. But I have been down this road before and know what to expect. From reading your posts you seem very concerned about the withdrawals. I will let you know that you will not feel 100% for at least the first week. With the worst days for me at least days 3-5. That being said - this is completely something that you can survive and come out on top from. I don't want to see you so scare of going through w/d's to not quit at all. If you could wean off of the oxy 30's and fentnal (sp?) you can make it through this. You may have the chills, cold sweats, insomnia, sneezing, poor appetite, lack of energy. But if you can take a couple of days to yourself you will start to feel normal again.
It would be wise to get rid of all of your medication as well. You don't want to have it on hand when you start to feel icky. Good luck to you - I know that you can make it through this!!
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