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FaeryQueen · 10-30-2005, 05:18 PM

Ruh-Roh.....
Mogqua....Where are you man?

:nervous

Dan · 10-30-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

Again. Taking one word, one concept, and dismissing the entire opinion as erroneous is SILLY.

Now you're erroneous in your assumption.
Much of Mog's opinion stands on its own, in my eyes.
Clarity, darlin

Don S · 10-30-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

BTW Don,

Have you read the Big Book thru from cover to cover?

I bet you have.

You don't stike me as the sort of fella who would try and rip it apart like you do without having done your homework.

But then again.

Yes, several times.
When have I ripped apart the Big Book?
Don

FaeryQueen · 10-30-2005, 05:23 PM

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Now you're erroneous in your assumption.
Much of Mog's opinion stands on its own, in my eyes.
Clarity, darlin

Could be Dahlin.

Don must have scurried off to go read the big book real fast.

I better get the hell out of dodge!
:outtahere

FaeryQueen · 10-30-2005, 05:25 PM

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Yes, several times.
When have I ripped apart the Big Book?
Don

Excuse me, maybe you only try and rip apart the program of recovery that is based upon the big book.

Sadie12 · 10-30-2005, 05:25 PM

I've always found that the alcoholics and addicts that I've known in my life have all been very smart, exceptional people. EVERY one of them were very deep and very intune with life etc.
I know sounds strange, but it is true.
So then I thought that "that" is the reason an addict becomes and addict/alcoholic because of the intensity of their minds, feelings and beliefs etc.

Don S · 10-30-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

Excuse me, maybe you only try and rip apart the program of recovery that is based upon the big book.

When have I ripped apart AA?

FaeryQueen · 10-30-2005, 05:31 PM

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When have I ripped apart AA?

You haven't, as far as I can tell. Don't give yourself so much credit.

kellisch · 10-30-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by minnie

Must be my eyes that suffer from the lack of clarity then. Good job I'm off to the optician this week.

You know, one thing AA has taught me is not to have contempt prior to investigation.

I like this response to who wrote this in response to:

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I actually see his 'program' as quite conventional and very common.
Much like many beginning fourth steps I've read.
Just as lenghty and just as angry.
Although it lacks clarity.

Are you kidding me, it's another person's idea.
Oh and one more thing --clarity?, it's not an English class.
You must be a legend in your own mind.

Don S · 10-30-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

You haven't, as far as I can tell. Don't give yourself so much credit.

Sigh. Ok, when have I tried to rip apart AA?

kellisch · 10-30-2005, 05:40 PM

All I have to say is that each and every person has their own journey to follow to find recovery.. That is why someone said take what you need and leave the rest or file it for later. LOL

**Peter** · 10-30-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadie12

I've always found that the alcoholics and addicts that I've known in my life have all been very smart, exceptional people. EVERY one of them were very deep and very intune with life etc.
I know sounds strange, but it is true.
So then I thought that "that" is the reason an addict becomes and addict/alcoholic because of the intensity of their minds, feelings and beliefs etc.

Very good obsevation Sadie.

Gooch · 10-30-2005, 10:12 PM

wow... what a read so far... now I'm too tired to read James' book.

One thing I wondered based on some of teh comments is .... If James didn't find God,

could it have been possible that God found him?

Chy · 10-30-2005, 10:24 PM

((Gooch))

Paulie · 10-31-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooch

wow... what a read so far... now I'm too tired to read James' book.

One thing I wondered based on some of teh comments is .... If James didn't find God,

could it have been possible that God found him?

(((Gooch)))

Five · 10-31-2005, 08:48 AM

Which kind of fits quite nicely into AA's set of beliefs (thus perpetuating the whole attitude in this thread once more).

What ever. Maybe, for once, someone quit without God - on his own "God given" self will.

Come on folks - AA and God surely dont have a monopoly on recovery.

bartender129 · 10-31-2005, 09:31 AM

Hmmm,

Well I read the book solely for â€œentertainment.â€ I really enjoyed it and I related to many of the emotional upsets that the main character goes through.

I found a path to sobriety that is working for me, so I wasnâ€™t looking for a new one in this book. But who am I criticize what is working for someone else?

Heck I read Hannibal too, but I certainly donâ€™t need to analyze the merits and consequences of eating human flesh!

Just an FYI but in this description of how James Frey does it...

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1) letting go of his fear - he says what he did to himself is far worse than anything anyone could do to him.

2) by 'holding on' - when things are bad, they won't stay that way and you will feel better

...there is something left out. What Frey has said is his number one motivating factor to stay sober is that he was told by doctors that if he kept using he would be dead soon. The guy just doesnâ€™t want to die.

AMLP was a good read. I started my friend Leonard and it is pretty good too.

Dan · 10-31-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Five

Which kind of fits quite nicely into AA's set of beliefs (thus perpetuating the whole attitude in this thread once more).

Actually Five, it is my beliefs that fit nicely into AA.
Remember, Alcoholics Anonymous is first and foremost the title of a book.

fraankie · 10-31-2005, 10:26 AM

a counselor once said
"the reason someone drinks, drugs, etc
is to either suppress or enhance feelings"
so
there is so much to this thread
but
basically
just wondering
"can anyone recover unless they grow up?"

no comment on james
wish him well
but
also
"right place, right time"

Paulie · 10-31-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fraankie

"can anyone recover unless they grow up?"

WOW...growing up was a huge part for me. But first I had to understand that I wasn't grown up at 31 when I got clean. I remember the first time I was told that I had stopped growing emotionally when I started using, I was only a few weeks clean and I lost it...how dare she say that to me! Then the more I continued to become teachable the more I understood and realized that for me...that was so very true.

James is sober, 13 years sober, happy with who he is that is what matters. He shares his sobriety with others, he said that is one of this purposes in life. Works for me

.

FaeryQueen · 10-31-2005, 10:36 AM

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Sigh. Ok, when have I tried to rip apart AA? Don

I suppose it was the insinuation that Oprah could probably have more impact on Alcoholism than AA. I am under the impression that you are disparaging the programs efficacy and availability.

AA was there for me when I reached out for help. Not Oprah, Smart, Fart, Rational...or anyone else.

Not only were the gentle, humble, wise, compassionate members of the program there....they held my hand and walked me out of hell. I have since held the hands of women and seen the same miracles take place thru the application of the steps. I see this everyday with my own eyes...I don't need statistics.

Granted, AAs recovery rates are not what they were back in the day. I personally attribute that to AAs cow-towing to the politically correct idiots who have a "problem" with GOD. Let them have a problem with "GOD" and let them get the hell out of AA and stop influencing those who are ready for a powerful, grounbreaking, spiritual experience that will rock their little world and RECOVER them from alcoholism.

fraankie · 10-31-2005, 10:48 AM

i don't understand how OPRAH can have much impact on anything
let alone alcoholism
if the whole world, universe, galaxy
were watching her show with James Frey
not for nothing people
it was only one hour a few weeks ago
did anyone take a survey to find out how many people
are now in recovery because of the show?

some swear by her, some believe in her
some probably adore, idolize her
but
she is an entertainer
she may occasionally sait in
and "i want to do a show on ............."
otherwise
it's a studio production
and
she delivers the message, interview, etc
very highly talented, smart, etc
but
in either event
when the show is over, it's back to judge judy, all my children, etc
for a lot of the viewers who are HOME,
as in not working,
i mean, even that part of James Frey
answering an e-mail
out of thousands
and
helping to get the women into recovery
and visit with her
very, very touching!!!!!!!!!
well, how many are downing a bud right now,
cursing oprah, james for not answering their e-mail
does OPRAH really give a dashdang
or
is she rehearshing her next show
on martha stewart?

oh, well

Don S · 10-31-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

I suppose it was the insinuation that Oprah could probably have more impact on Alcoholism than AA. I am under the impression that you are disparaging the programs efficacy and availability.

AA was there for me when I reached out for help. Not Oprah, Smart, Fart, Rational...or anyone else.

Unless your recovery dates from before the early 1990's, they were there. You just didn't know about them.
By sheer numbers, Oprah has more impact on anything than almost any book or group or program or whatever. If Oprah talks about white roses, my customers want white roses. Fortunately she seems smart enough and responsible enough to recognize the power she has. I note that as of yesterday Frey's book is #1 on the paperback best seller list, and that it's been there for 4 weeks.
I don't disparage the efficacy of AA. On a statistical basis it isn't very effective. That's a fact, and we can learn a lot from analyzing why it is or isn't. On an individual basis it can be very effective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

Granted, AAs recovery rates are not what they were back in the day. I personally attribute that to AAs cow-towing to the politically correct idiots who have a "problem" with GOD. Let them have a problem with "GOD" and let them get the hell out of AA and stop influencing those who are ready for a powerful, grounbreaking, spiritual experience that will rock their little world and RECOVER them from alcoholism.

Nice of you to be so broad-minded and welcoming to nonbelievers.
Don

FaeryQueen · 10-31-2005, 10:57 AM

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Nice of you to be so broad-minded and welcoming to nonbelievers

If they are willing to believe then I will work with them until my fingers bleed.

The point I am making is that GOD has been all but taken out of the equation in many 12 step treatment centers and AA groups around the country in order to "not hurt anyone's feelings". That is a real shame because GOD is the solution for many of us and to not hit that fact home is a travesty to the founders of AA.

I certainly was not convinced when I came in on the God issue....but I was beaten enough to try and be willing.

fraankie · 10-31-2005, 10:59 AM

[B]By sheer numbers, Oprah has more impact on anything than almost any book or group or program or whatever. If Oprah talks about white roses, my customers want white roses[B]

is this from a federally funded scientific survey?
no one has called and ordered white roses from me?
seriously, i know i was a bit broad
but
is this the "oprah thing according to you?"

Fortunately she seems smart enough and responsible enough to recognize the power she has. I note that as of yesterday Frey's book is #1 on the paperback best seller list, and that it's been there for 4 weeks.

my last response is
AA is there 24 / 7, around the world,
which can be said about other programs, GOD, and family
OPRAH is there only an hour a day,
the other hour is a repeat
and
it's true, she's smart
all the way to the bank

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Sadie12 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 30	I've always found that the alcoholics and addicts that I've known in my life have all been very smart, exceptional people. EVERY one of them were very deep and very intune with life etc. I know sounds strange, but it is true. So then I thought that "that" is the reason an addict becomes and addict/alcoholic because of the intensity of their minds, feelings and beliefs etc.

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kellisch Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hartford Posts: 12	All I have to say is that each and every person has their own journey to follow to find recovery.. That is why someone said take what you need and leave the rest or file it for later. LOL

10-30-2005, 10:12 PM	#113 (permalink)
Gooch Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: out there... Posts: 2,654	wow... what a read so far... now I'm too tired to read James' book. One thing I wondered based on some of teh comments is .... If James didn't find God, could it have been possible that God found him?

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10-31-2005, 08:48 AM	#116 (permalink)
Five Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,229	Which kind of fits quite nicely into AA's set of beliefs (thus perpetuating the whole attitude in this thread once more). What ever. Maybe, for once, someone quit without God - on his own "God given" self will. Come on folks - AA and God surely dont have a monopoly on recovery.

10-31-2005, 10:26 AM	#119 (permalink)
fraankie Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: brooklyn, new york Posts: 1,395	a counselor once said "the reason someone drinks, drugs, etc is to either suppress or enhance feelings" so there is so much to this thread but basically just wondering "can anyone recover unless they grow up?" no comment on james wish him well but also "right place, right time"

10-31-2005, 10:48 AM	#122 (permalink)
fraankie Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: brooklyn, new york Posts: 1,395	i don't understand how OPRAH can have much impact on anything let alone alcoholism if the whole world, universe, galaxy were watching her show with James Frey not for nothing people it was only one hour a few weeks ago did anyone take a survey to find out how many people are now in recovery because of the show? some swear by her, some believe in her some probably adore, idolize her but she is an entertainer she may occasionally sait in and "i want to do a show on ............." otherwise it's a studio production and she delivers the message, interview, etc very highly talented, smart, etc but in either event when the show is over, it's back to judge judy, all my children, etc for a lot of the viewers who are HOME, as in not working, i mean, even that part of James Frey answering an e-mail out of thousands and helping to get the women into recovery and visit with her very, very touching!!!!!!!!! well, how many are downing a bud right now, cursing oprah, james for not answering their e-mail does OPRAH really give a dashdang or is she rehearshing her next show on martha stewart? oh, well

10-31-2005, 10:59 AM	#125 (permalink)
fraankie Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: brooklyn, new york Posts: 1,395	[B]By sheer numbers, Oprah has more impact on anything than almost any book or group or program or whatever. If Oprah talks about white roses, my customers want white roses[B] is this from a federally funded scientific survey? no one has called and ordered white roses from me? seriously, i know i was a bit broad but is this the "oprah thing according to you?" Fortunately she seems smart enough and responsible enough to recognize the power she has. I note that as of yesterday Frey's book is #1 on the paperback best seller list, and that it's been there for 4 weeks. my last response is AA is there 24 / 7, around the world, which can be said about other programs, GOD, and family OPRAH is there only an hour a day, the other hour is a repeat and it's true, she's smart all the way to the bank

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