James Frey Breaks the Rules

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Don S

Hyperactivity in the limbic region is associated with profound religious experience, as well as a variety of sociopathic sexual behaviors.

This explains much then...
I need to call my sponsor now.

[bartender129]

This thread is starting to read more and more like an evangelical sermon. Hey FQ, how long until you start wearing insane amounts of make up and get your own TV satellite gig?

Lol at the sex line. So the next time my wife has an “experience� I’ll just tell her that it is god doing his work through me. Tell me FQ, is that why she calls out his name from time to time?

[Gooch]

Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

Timidity about the God issue diminishes AA's efficacy.

Near true statment .. imo .. the efficiacy of AA (or any other process with historical evidence of succcess) can only be diminished by the beholder.

Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

P*ssy-footing around the subject that God=Solution because we don't want to scare the poor atheists out of the room is gutless and it does nothing for the broken down, willing alkie who really wants to recover.

Honesty without compassion or temperance is brutality.

I was brutalized enough while I was on my mission.

While you and I agree that God seems to = Solution, 10 to 1 our individual beliefs and practices are as dissimiliar as our lingerie. ( unless we both don't wear any )


When you have the opportunity to show someone ( lets just say an aetheist or to this point someone who hasn't drawn their conclusion) what God has brought you, woudln't you want that to be the patience, tolerance, and grace?

Remember the slogan "Subject to change without notice"?

[Gooch]

Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

Thanks Jen. I am not like this most days....especially since my friend Mill left....sad face.

But I like to jump in and stir the boat with the AA is a Cult crowd every now and then. Scare them with my zealot dogma and religious fervor....HAAAAAAAAAA!
Tis Halloween.

It worked you had me scared!

[Gooch]

Originally Posted by Five

Fear of relapse: that is why, I think, these arguments can seem so close to home. Fear that others will relapse if they read it, fear that by not sticking to certain rules that themselves or others will relapse.

It becomes morally wrong because someone could read and relapse. That is such a huge moral issue in itself. A really big one. But you have to look at where this fear exists and where it doesn't.

Anyway, 5.

Good to see you Mil

I understand the perspective.

I felt guilty of being a bad example for a young kid who later wound up becoming and addict and still later dying of complications associated with the health related diseases his addiction gained him.

Doing the ammends thing, I approached him at a meeting and explained to him how I felt as thouhg I had been an influence on him and that i was sory for that.

He told me I never had that much power, that I was just a part of the path that he was allready choosing, and he thought it was incredible that I was still on the path he was choosing and we had both turned 180 degrees.

I didn't get him high anymore than I led him to recovery.

Our words shouldn't have the power to chase people away. When that happens to me I am giving my personal integrity up and assuming a victim mode, while in reality, I'm a victim of my own overreactions. It's taken a combination of compassionate bluntness to teach me this.

[FaeryQueen]

Stimulation of the limbic region, which is also associated with moderate religious experience and sexuality. Hyperactivity in the limbic region is associated with profound religious experience, as well as a variety of sociopathic sexual behaviors.

This is veering off on the course of circular reasoning. What came first the chicken or the egg?

Can you prove in your scientific wisdom that Creative Intelligence(GOD) does not stimulate the reaction in the limbic region?

[FaeryQueen]

This thread is starting to read more and more like an evangelical sermon. Hey FQ, how long until you start wearing insane amounts of make up and get your own TV satellite gig?

You still seem to be confused about God and Religion. They are not the same thing. Religions are interpretations of how specific groups of humans theorize God. Religion is the feeble and frail attempt by humans to explain the unfathomable Mystery...that is God.

One does not need to be religious to know God.

[FaeryQueen]

Honesty without compassion or temperance is brutality.

That is funny. If you met me you would figure out quickly that I am not brutal. Passionate to an extreme....Yes. Brutal.....No. Truthful.....Yes.

Sometimes God draws straight lines with crooked sticks.


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[Dan]

Religions are the ritual.
Spiritual beliefs are not.

[FaeryQueen]

Yup! Many times susane

Thank God...or maybe you should thank your limbic brain.
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[FaeryQueen]

Religions are the ritual.
Spiritual beliefs are not.
Dan

Okay. Yeah. That's it.
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[Dan]

And I think Bartender has a latent thing for Tammy Fay

[FaeryQueen]

Picture of me at an AA meeting

[JaySee]

well that certainly doesn't do anything for my limbic region ... :shysmile:

[equus]

Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

Picture of me at an AA meeting

Too much tantric sex..... It's the smile I tell you!

[FaeryQueen]

well that certainly doesn't do anything for my limbic region ... :shysmile: JaySee

Too much tantric sex..... It's the smile I tell you! equus

Unfortunately my tricks were not enough to keep Jim away from the prostitutes. *edit*

[equus]

FQ - Is that really you in the picture? If so I'm sorry, I thought it was someone from american tv. I wasn't intending to be really offensive.

[Dan]

Oh equus...
I can promise you that is not FaeryQueen.

[JaySee]

Looking good for 31 ....

[Gooch]

FQ ..

If I hadn't recently learned to accept personal responsibility. I might hold you accountable for the damage that picture did to my limbic region.

[Chy]

Chili, Tammy Faye, Token Catholics, Mill is back, I need a pill.

[Don S]

Originally Posted by FaeryQueen

This is veering off on the course of circular reasoning. What came first the chicken or the egg?

Can you prove in your scientific wisdom that Creative Intelligence(GOD) does not stimulate the reaction in the limbic region?

There were eggs on this earth loooooong before there were chickens.
I can neither prove nor disprove that there is an external causal agent for the reaction in the limbic region. But my explanation of what is happening doesn't require one.
Don

[angelgirl]

Hey FQ,,

I was drawn to this thread, and was a bit angry in the beginning,,, believing you were taking the wrong approach,,in the beginning,, I was wrong,, You are
passionate in your beliefs,, I admire you very much for that, especially since you seem to be taking quite a beating here for your beliefs.. That I find wrong..
And I will probably take a beating with you, for agreeing with you..

But I agree with the things you have said so far.. You are completely correct in my opinion, in your beliefs..

YOU GO GIRL!!!!!! Hang in there and Keep defending what you believe..

Love,
Becky

[Five]

Originally Posted by Dan

Religions are the ritual.
Spiritual beliefs are not.

IF that can be remembered, if that can be enforced, then you wont go far wrong. In my opinion. The ones who are at [I]ease[/].

Spirituality in AA is rife, but so is ritual. The two can be compatable, but some are easily swayed toward a stiffling sense of ritual. I would say to anyone to use it all to create your own moral code, your own sense of God, and your own life. How beautiful that sounds to me.

AA or outside, we all have enough skill to come up with our own system.

Grand I feel grandiose.

[Five]

For me my agnostic belief is this: there is only mystery.

My "spirituality" is uncertainty. Living a life of total uncertainty.

With that, the magic just keeps on appearing.

As for ritual: most philosopher agree that without reason, and reason directed toward religion there would only be brutality and war, with each set of absolutes fighting each other. Give those "who don’t" believe some respect. If you look hard enough you will see that they have given a lot to this world. Don’t patronise us, when we seem to be the ones who encourage tolerance the most in this often terrible world.