how much do you/did you drink, any health problems?
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Luckily, the body begins to heal on day 1 of sobriety and gets even better from there. I have heard stories of people with major liver disease, etc, recover at least partially by quitting the booze. It's the people that don't...
Also, for those with anxiety about liver problems, if you had life threatening liver issues, you would know. There would be no question. You would feel like hell.
Also, for those with anxiety about liver problems, if you had life threatening liver issues, you would know. There would be no question. You would feel like hell.
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I would drink 2-3 times a week on average but sometimes it could rack up to every weekday due to 'work/social' obligations. That's how I rationalized it to others but in most cases, work had little to do with it. And, since I did not drink everyday, I was pretty convinced that although I was a heavy drinker, I did not having a drinking problem and certainly was not an alcoholic.
In terms of amounts, that could be as low as little as 'five drinks' (eg. five pints of lager) which I now realize would be calculated as 12.5 units of alcohol (where over 5 units is considered 'binge' level) but quite often, twice that amount or more. We'd usually start out with a beer and stick with it unless someone ordered a bottle of wine. If a Mexican joint, a few pitchers of margaritas. Sometimes vodka or gin tonics especially in the summer or bourbon or whiskey with cigars. Equal opportunity alcoholics.
I never experienced any sort of 'liver pain' but for years I was aware that my liver enzyme levels were constantly elevated (due to drinking). Those levels dropped to normal weeks after I quit so I no longer worry about my (former) fatty liver tipping into cirrhosis. FYI my numbers were as follows:
I also had high cholesterol levels which also fell after I quit - I believe it was thanks to the loss of over 19 lbs of body fat and naturally improved eating and exercise habits that occurred after I quit drinking. Even though 19 lbs sounds like a lot, I somehow managed to carry it on my frame without looking 'fat' (in a suit, that is -- not shirtless on the beach). However, once I shed the fat, I definitely look a lot better and trimmer.
A rather disgusting side-effect I experienced for a good day or two after a heavy night of drinking was the 'beer *****' in the morning and general gastro-intestinal distress and noxious gas afterwards. I became so used to it that I did not really realize it was abnormal until after I had quit drinking and the symptoms disappeared.
It was also usual for me to experience partial blackouts. And, similar to the situation above (re: GI distress) and contrary to what I've read on blackouts, I did not consider it to be 'shocking' or 'distressing'. Rather, it was really quite normal that as I recovered from my morning hangover, bits and pieces of relevant conversation from the night before would be recalled. Not all of it but most. And, when I could not remember what time I came home or how... I could usually count on rifling through my the pockets of my suit jacket to retrieve a taxi receipt that would indicate the time. Sometimes an additional bar or club receipt which would remind me that I had also visited a 3rd or 4th place before having called it a night. Now that I think about it, it sounds pretty screwed up, but when I was drinking, I considered it quite normal.
In terms of amounts, that could be as low as little as 'five drinks' (eg. five pints of lager) which I now realize would be calculated as 12.5 units of alcohol (where over 5 units is considered 'binge' level) but quite often, twice that amount or more. We'd usually start out with a beer and stick with it unless someone ordered a bottle of wine. If a Mexican joint, a few pitchers of margaritas. Sometimes vodka or gin tonics especially in the summer or bourbon or whiskey with cigars. Equal opportunity alcoholics.
I never experienced any sort of 'liver pain' but for years I was aware that my liver enzyme levels were constantly elevated (due to drinking). Those levels dropped to normal weeks after I quit so I no longer worry about my (former) fatty liver tipping into cirrhosis. FYI my numbers were as follows:
A history of moderately elevated (liver) enzymes:
May 2005
ALT (GPT) 63 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 33 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) OK
gamma-GTP 91 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
May 2007
ALT (GPT) 48 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 32 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) OK
gamma-GTP 73 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
Nov 2007
ALT (GPT) 43 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 35 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) over
gamma-GTP 60 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
Nov 2008
ALT (GPT) 63 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 44 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) over
gamma-GTP 98 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
Readings after dropping the booze:
Mar 2009 - one month after quitting drinking
ALT (GPT) 37 over (by 2 pts)
AST (SGOT) 30 OK
gamma-GTP 45 OK
May 2009 - three months after quitting drinking
ALT (GPT) 24 OK
AST (SGOT) 30 OK
gamma-GTP 32 OK
May 2005
ALT (GPT) 63 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 33 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) OK
gamma-GTP 91 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
May 2007
ALT (GPT) 48 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 32 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) OK
gamma-GTP 73 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
Nov 2007
ALT (GPT) 43 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 35 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) over
gamma-GTP 60 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
Nov 2008
ALT (GPT) 63 (acceptable range 5 - 35 IU/L) over
AST (SGOT) 44 (acceptable range 10- 34 IU/L) over
gamma-GTP 98 (acceptable range 10 - 51 IU/L) over
Readings after dropping the booze:
Mar 2009 - one month after quitting drinking
ALT (GPT) 37 over (by 2 pts)
AST (SGOT) 30 OK
gamma-GTP 45 OK
May 2009 - three months after quitting drinking
ALT (GPT) 24 OK
AST (SGOT) 30 OK
gamma-GTP 32 OK
A rather disgusting side-effect I experienced for a good day or two after a heavy night of drinking was the 'beer *****' in the morning and general gastro-intestinal distress and noxious gas afterwards. I became so used to it that I did not really realize it was abnormal until after I had quit drinking and the symptoms disappeared.
It was also usual for me to experience partial blackouts. And, similar to the situation above (re: GI distress) and contrary to what I've read on blackouts, I did not consider it to be 'shocking' or 'distressing'. Rather, it was really quite normal that as I recovered from my morning hangover, bits and pieces of relevant conversation from the night before would be recalled. Not all of it but most. And, when I could not remember what time I came home or how... I could usually count on rifling through my the pockets of my suit jacket to retrieve a taxi receipt that would indicate the time. Sometimes an additional bar or club receipt which would remind me that I had also visited a 3rd or 4th place before having called it a night. Now that I think about it, it sounds pretty screwed up, but when I was drinking, I considered it quite normal.
I started drinking a 6 pack of beer most nights in my late 20s and gradually progressed to 9-12 beers a night for the "better" part of the last decade.
I have high cholesterol, but it is coming down as I've gradually learned to make smarter eating choices. My blood sugar has also tested in the pre-diabetic range twice in the last four years. My blood pressure also tests a little high. I'm curious to see if all three of those problems resolve themselves in the coming months.
I am actually about to wrap up day 3 of sobriety (thanks in part to this site and it's members). I mention that as, curiously, my regularly achy back has felt somewhat better the past few days.
I should also mention that I am, was, a "smoking drinker", going through a couple of packs of cigarettes over a week's time. That went out the door with the beer. I have a slight cough and my throat is a little sore, but hope that both will pass with time.
Other than that, I am not aware of any health issues, but will have an annual checkup in a couple of months. I should probably ask my doctor if there are tests that I should have done.
I have high cholesterol, but it is coming down as I've gradually learned to make smarter eating choices. My blood sugar has also tested in the pre-diabetic range twice in the last four years. My blood pressure also tests a little high. I'm curious to see if all three of those problems resolve themselves in the coming months.
I am actually about to wrap up day 3 of sobriety (thanks in part to this site and it's members). I mention that as, curiously, my regularly achy back has felt somewhat better the past few days.
I should also mention that I am, was, a "smoking drinker", going through a couple of packs of cigarettes over a week's time. That went out the door with the beer. I have a slight cough and my throat is a little sore, but hope that both will pass with time.
Other than that, I am not aware of any health issues, but will have an annual checkup in a couple of months. I should probably ask my doctor if there are tests that I should have done.
I drank 2-3 days per week depending on my schedule. I drank for about 5 years. I easily drank 750ML of 100 proof liquor/week, a fifth of rum and maybe a couple of bottles of chardonnay. I felt ill most everyday-had abdominal pain, the works. I did not see a doctor until I was sober for about a year. I'm completely healthy other than elevated cholesterol, have perfect blood pressure, no liver/pancreatic issues.
I am beyond grateful for my health!
I am beyond grateful for my health!
I'm surprised no one has already asked, why are you asking?
I'm a little concerned that you want to be able to look at the replies and think, "Well I didn't drink as much as they did, and they haven't had health problems, so I must be okay." Different amounts of alcohol will create different long-term effects in different people, depending on age/health/genetic predisposition/etc. The only safe answer is to go to your doctor and explain that you are a recovering alcoholic (if he/she doesn't already know) and ask to have whatever liver and other tests he or she recommends.
I would go out with friends a 3-4 times a week and have 3-4 mixed drinks there, then (regardless of whether I had been drinking earlier or not) drink 2 bottles of white wine by myself at home. I never had any ill effects beyond the short-term (severe anxiety, nausea, etc.), but that may have been attributable to the fact that I otherwise have a pretty healthy lifestyle (vegetarian, runner, rock climber, at least a one-hour workout every morning) -- oh the irony!
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I'm a little concerned that you want to be able to look at the replies and think, "Well I didn't drink as much as they did, and they haven't had health problems, so I must be okay." Different amounts of alcohol will create different long-term effects in different people, depending on age/health/genetic predisposition/etc. The only safe answer is to go to your doctor and explain that you are a recovering alcoholic (if he/she doesn't already know) and ask to have whatever liver and other tests he or she recommends.
I would go out with friends a 3-4 times a week and have 3-4 mixed drinks there, then (regardless of whether I had been drinking earlier or not) drink 2 bottles of white wine by myself at home. I never had any ill effects beyond the short-term (severe anxiety, nausea, etc.), but that may have been attributable to the fact that I otherwise have a pretty healthy lifestyle (vegetarian, runner, rock climber, at least a one-hour workout every morning) -- oh the irony!
GG
I drank 6 cause I had only 6. If I bought 12 I drank 12, etc. I controlled the amount nightly.
So, my alkie friend is in the hospital. 94% of the liver ok, so tests reveal Ok results. Doc said at 1% less working, tests reveal it. Hmmmmm. Results can be misleading until too late. Hmmm
So, my alkie friend is in the hospital. 94% of the liver ok, so tests reveal Ok results. Doc said at 1% less working, tests reveal it. Hmmmmm. Results can be misleading until too late. Hmmm
About a pint and a half of bourbon per day, and not health issues EXCEPT inability to sleep through the night, inability to read or think without having some liquor in me, elevated liver panels, 20 lbs overweight, etc.
For 3-4 years I drank everyotherday if not everyday. Everyother month I would take a 3-4 day breather just to prove to myself that I could.
I would drink 3-5 beers or a half bottle of wine a night. I would start at 5pm and drink till 9. To get to sleep and stay asleep I would pop a sleeping pill and to avoid headaches I would take an Advil along with the sleeping pill.
I became lethargic and depressed and always woke up with severe anxiety. I started getting into the the habit of asking my good friend for a Xanax to help with the anxiety.
As for health problems, I've developed a patch of soriasis or eczema on my back which I believe is due to some damage causes to some organ not being able to eliminate toxins so my body has now resorted to releasing toxins through my skin.
I have faith I will make full recovery in my mental and physical health as long as I am sober. I am so grateful to be off of that rollercoaster! Ugh
I would drink 3-5 beers or a half bottle of wine a night. I would start at 5pm and drink till 9. To get to sleep and stay asleep I would pop a sleeping pill and to avoid headaches I would take an Advil along with the sleeping pill.
I became lethargic and depressed and always woke up with severe anxiety. I started getting into the the habit of asking my good friend for a Xanax to help with the anxiety.
As for health problems, I've developed a patch of soriasis or eczema on my back which I believe is due to some damage causes to some organ not being able to eliminate toxins so my body has now resorted to releasing toxins through my skin.
I have faith I will make full recovery in my mental and physical health as long as I am sober. I am so grateful to be off of that rollercoaster! Ugh
I could drink a bottle of vodka in an evening quite easily. Essentially I would get up early and drink, drink some more on my lunch hour and then drink in the evening.
That was pretty much constant for several years and was pretty much daily or until I ran out of money.
It used to amaze me when i'd go to my then girlfriend's house and she had half a bottle of vodka which she's had for over a month. I couldn't understand how she could have only drank half of it in that time.
Health problems. In a way I was lucky because when I started seeing a doctor at the start of last year and had liver tests, my liver was actually ok. The only odd thing was too much iron in my blood :/
It all ended up with alcohol withdrawal seizures and a brush with death, but after all that I do feel extremely lucky to be here and the doctors told me so in no uncertain terms.
That was pretty much constant for several years and was pretty much daily or until I ran out of money.
It used to amaze me when i'd go to my then girlfriend's house and she had half a bottle of vodka which she's had for over a month. I couldn't understand how she could have only drank half of it in that time.
Health problems. In a way I was lucky because when I started seeing a doctor at the start of last year and had liver tests, my liver was actually ok. The only odd thing was too much iron in my blood :/
It all ended up with alcohol withdrawal seizures and a brush with death, but after all that I do feel extremely lucky to be here and the doctors told me so in no uncertain terms.
At the end I was buying one of those large bottles of vodka with a handle on it every other day. I had toxic hepatitis when I checked into treatment and I had seizures while detoxing. My body recovered from that and I ran a marathon a year later. Can you say obsessive/compulsive?
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I went yellow - full eyes and skin - bright neon orange-yellow .. and, after popping into the duty doctor one day on advice of my family because I was so unusually yellow, I was immediately hospitalized and told I could have had a seizure and/or gone into a coma at any time and was lucky I didn't. My liver was shutting down .. my bloodwork was off the charts (more than many transplant patients .. more than many who don't make it).
Re. "symptoms" ... I had no pain, and no solid symptoms that I would have recognized as life-threatening. (In hindsight, of course, there were several symptoms .. vomiting, fatigue, etc. .. but those things also come with drinking too much in general .. and are easy to justify when you're an alkie as part of everyday life.)
1 to 1.5 quarts (fifths) of vodka per day, round-the-clock (even woke up in the middle of the night for a fix to keep withdrawals from starting) .... and no one knew ... and they still don't.
Re. "symptoms" ... I had no pain, and no solid symptoms that I would have recognized as life-threatening. (In hindsight, of course, there were several symptoms .. vomiting, fatigue, etc. .. but those things also come with drinking too much in general .. and are easy to justify when you're an alkie as part of everyday life.)
1 to 1.5 quarts (fifths) of vodka per day, round-the-clock (even woke up in the middle of the night for a fix to keep withdrawals from starting) .... and no one knew ... and they still don't.
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I drink 7 days a week. Been at it for 22 years.
Weekdays after work is a minimum of a 12 pack a beer. Usually it's 16-20 beers. On occasions i'll also drink rum or tequila. On the weekends the sky is the limit. Will drink virtually nonstop from soon after awakening until whenever i decide to crash. Beer, rum, tequila, whisky.
Health problems? Swollen spleen, internal aches, bloating, short term memory loss, skin has recently developed a mild yellow color but my eyes seem fine. Years ago i was in a hospital and a doctor did a liver tap. He tapped, paused, tapped again and asked me how much i drank. When i told him he shook his head and went on with the checkup. I was merely warming up in those days so i assume my liver has problems also.
Weekdays after work is a minimum of a 12 pack a beer. Usually it's 16-20 beers. On occasions i'll also drink rum or tequila. On the weekends the sky is the limit. Will drink virtually nonstop from soon after awakening until whenever i decide to crash. Beer, rum, tequila, whisky.
Health problems? Swollen spleen, internal aches, bloating, short term memory loss, skin has recently developed a mild yellow color but my eyes seem fine. Years ago i was in a hospital and a doctor did a liver tap. He tapped, paused, tapped again and asked me how much i drank. When i told him he shook his head and went on with the checkup. I was merely warming up in those days so i assume my liver has problems also.
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I went yellow - full eyes and skin - bright neon orange-yellow .. and, after popping into the duty doctor one day on advice of my family because I was so unusually yellow, I was immediately hospitalized and told I could have had a seizure and/or gone into a coma at any time and was lucky I didn't. My liver was shutting down .. my bloodwork was off the charts (more than many transplant patients .. more than many who don't make it).
Re. "symptoms" ... I had no pain, and no solid symptoms that I would have recognized as life-threatening. (In hindsight, of course, there were several symptoms .. vomiting, fatigue, etc. .. but those things also come with drinking too much in general .. and are easy to justify when you're an alkie as part of everyday life.)
1 to 1.5 quarts (fifths) of vodka per day, round-the-clock (even woke up in the middle of the night for a fix to keep withdrawals from starting) .... and no one knew ... and they still don't.
Re. "symptoms" ... I had no pain, and no solid symptoms that I would have recognized as life-threatening. (In hindsight, of course, there were several symptoms .. vomiting, fatigue, etc. .. but those things also come with drinking too much in general .. and are easy to justify when you're an alkie as part of everyday life.)
1 to 1.5 quarts (fifths) of vodka per day, round-the-clock (even woke up in the middle of the night for a fix to keep withdrawals from starting) .... and no one knew ... and they still don't.
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Hi Froglet .. Thanks so much for asking. I think if you have a peek at the few posts I've actually made here, most of my "story" is in there .. the first post perhaps ...... I'm a sorry excuse for a poster, I know ... and I was actually a member long before my "join date", but I had forgotten my name way back when - I wonder how many of us have done that? LOL).
But to answer your question about "recovery and now" ...
Recovery - was one day at a time. I was very sick, so actually stopping alcohol was easy, and a freeing thing for me. I was at the point where it wasn't fun at all .. it was just "required" (in my mind) to function, mentally and physically. I hated drinking it, but I "had to". My recovery moreso dealt with getting my energy back .. getting un-sick .. eating properly .. getting my organs working the best they can. It took many months, almost the full year for some things such as concentration to get back to normal, and that numb'ish feeling to go away in my hands and feet, mostly upon waking, but sometimes during the day.
Note: With regard to alcohol and withdrawal, it was and is private and I dealt with it all by myself, including detoxing, which happened while in the hospital, and I did my best to hide it. I was pretty good about it, and kept an eye on myself - but privacy in this regard totally outweighed "telling all" .. for me it was THAT important, mostly with regard to family and my upcoming divorce. As far as my friends and family are concerned, I had been going through a very hard time stress-wise (related to the loss of my relationship of almost 25 years) and I got sick because I didn't care to look after myself for many months (which is pretty much the truth anyway).
As for now - To sum it up: I'm sober, happy, hopeful, separated but not yet divorced (soon I hope), I look a heck of a lot better, lost weight, better skin, don't look near my age of 46 (in my humble opinion), and MUCH more confident in general. In fact, I could say I'm hot ... LOL .... And, all anxiety is gone; no more panic attacks. I am healthy ... I'm not sure I deserve to be, but I am ... And I guess I'm still here for a reason ...
My specialist said there is no reason that I won't live a full and normal life if I look after myself (he knew I drank some, but not how much - no one knew). So, I am officially "fine" .... Can I say PHEW? .... PHEW.
All the best to you .. and everyone. Thanks again for asking. I like telling my story .. I'm not "bragging" ... I've been to the "bottom", and I am sure it's in me to go there again if I get too cocky. I am thankful every minute of the day for my life.
But to answer your question about "recovery and now" ...
Recovery - was one day at a time. I was very sick, so actually stopping alcohol was easy, and a freeing thing for me. I was at the point where it wasn't fun at all .. it was just "required" (in my mind) to function, mentally and physically. I hated drinking it, but I "had to". My recovery moreso dealt with getting my energy back .. getting un-sick .. eating properly .. getting my organs working the best they can. It took many months, almost the full year for some things such as concentration to get back to normal, and that numb'ish feeling to go away in my hands and feet, mostly upon waking, but sometimes during the day.
Note: With regard to alcohol and withdrawal, it was and is private and I dealt with it all by myself, including detoxing, which happened while in the hospital, and I did my best to hide it. I was pretty good about it, and kept an eye on myself - but privacy in this regard totally outweighed "telling all" .. for me it was THAT important, mostly with regard to family and my upcoming divorce. As far as my friends and family are concerned, I had been going through a very hard time stress-wise (related to the loss of my relationship of almost 25 years) and I got sick because I didn't care to look after myself for many months (which is pretty much the truth anyway).
As for now - To sum it up: I'm sober, happy, hopeful, separated but not yet divorced (soon I hope), I look a heck of a lot better, lost weight, better skin, don't look near my age of 46 (in my humble opinion), and MUCH more confident in general. In fact, I could say I'm hot ... LOL .... And, all anxiety is gone; no more panic attacks. I am healthy ... I'm not sure I deserve to be, but I am ... And I guess I'm still here for a reason ...
My specialist said there is no reason that I won't live a full and normal life if I look after myself (he knew I drank some, but not how much - no one knew). So, I am officially "fine" .... Can I say PHEW? .... PHEW.
All the best to you .. and everyone. Thanks again for asking. I like telling my story .. I'm not "bragging" ... I've been to the "bottom", and I am sure it's in me to go there again if I get too cocky. I am thankful every minute of the day for my life.
I drank for over 40 years starting in moderation (2 beers a day) and slowly increasing to two 1.75 liters of whiskey per week as my tolerance increased. Some days I would have less and some days more, but rarely was there a day that I did not drink something. During this time I also smoked a pack of cigarettes per day.
My health issues started a few years ago with elevated blood sugar and neuropathy. This year I was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat. And this year I also developed a case of skin itch. My liver tests were always normal for annual physicals. But as the doctor says, the tests can be normal but liver damage still there.
I felt that I was going down the slipperly slope that Allen Carr talks about, so to save myself, I quit smoking 14 months ago and quit drinking 6 weeks ago. I am hoping that the body heals the best it can. The neuropathy and the itchy skin has gotten better and my blood pressure has decreased and I have lost 7 lbs since the drinking quit date. Time will tell if other good things happen.
My health issues started a few years ago with elevated blood sugar and neuropathy. This year I was diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat. And this year I also developed a case of skin itch. My liver tests were always normal for annual physicals. But as the doctor says, the tests can be normal but liver damage still there.
I felt that I was going down the slipperly slope that Allen Carr talks about, so to save myself, I quit smoking 14 months ago and quit drinking 6 weeks ago. I am hoping that the body heals the best it can. The neuropathy and the itchy skin has gotten better and my blood pressure has decreased and I have lost 7 lbs since the drinking quit date. Time will tell if other good things happen.
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Luckily I have avoided serious health complications but I do have moderate stomach issues and do deal with moderate alcohol withdrawal symptoms every now and then.
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The last thing I consumed was Lavoris Mouthwash. The only thing in the house with Alcohol. My children had dumped all the home made wine. I was a shivering vommiting up blood mess. That was a day that will live in infamy as the words where once said before that was Dec 18 2006. I have now been active in the Fellowship in Saudi Arabia have numerous Sponsees. I commune with God every day and start my day with this simple prayer "Morning father this is Eddie your Alcoholic grant me a quiet mind compassionate heart and a fearless soul so I can do your will. An alcoholic of my type has to do mt steps on a daily basis trust God and give all this sobriety away. I enjoy this new power of living granted to me from my God of my understanding.
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