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Nevertheless · 11-10-2009, 08:43 PM

I'm afraid whats wrong with you is you are an alcoholic.
Have you ever heard the story in the Big book about the guy that keeps jumping out in front of street cars? He likes to jump out in front of them and try to get out of the way before he gets hit. He gets hit several times, but just keeps on doing it. He knows he will get hurt or killed eventually, but he can't stop.That is the perfect example of us alcoholics.
Another example is everyone else knows it but the alcoholic.
The first step is to admit it.
Is there still any question in your mind that you are an alcoholic?
I'm not trying to be harsh (well maybe I am), but thats the way I see it.
Fred

chrisinaustin · 11-10-2009, 09:02 PM

In terms of your employer and EAP, once you let them know you are an alcoholic, you are protected under the law from termination. You're truly sick right now, and the protection is valid. It's a valid reason to be out. Right now, the only explanation they have is that you're just a bad employee.

Use that gift to get help. From what you've posted, it would appear that your back IS against the wall, in every sense of the phrase.

dsc · 11-11-2009, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pboy

I'm don't know the consequences yet, but it's not good and it can't continue indefinitely.

My last post wasn't clear.

It's impossible me for to comment on your work situation as it's a little bit different for each of us.

One guy who used to work where I do was let go on 'Strike 2' and his misbehaviour was caused by drunkenness.

But I meant more like:

Strike 3 on your moderation plan, "out" (from trying to continue it and now moving to straight 100% abstinence)?

Pboy · 11-11-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dsc

Strike 3 on your moderation plan, "out" (from trying to continue it and now moving to straight 100% abstinence)?

To be honest I really don't know.

I'm sure my reaction will be proportional to the consequences at work.
Additionally, to declare 100% abstinence I think I would need help.

From what I know about AA, I can't picture myself participating in that format, and right now due to squandering every paycheck at the bar I don't have a lot of money to attend professional counseling.

I recognize there's a problem and know if I walk into a bar during the work week there's a better than average chance I won't make it to work the next day no matter what my preconceived plan is.

Payton · 11-11-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pboy

No, it's like a pushing the envelope with my employer.

Guess I won't act accordingly until my backs against the wall or it's too late.

Not sure what's wrong with me.

Do you have to deal with your direct supervisors to go through an EAP? At my husband's workplace, they have a hotline and you call them and they help set things up for you. You don't end up pushing the envelope with anyone you work with or report to - it's private.

Pboy · 11-11-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Payton

Do you have to deal with your direct supervisors to go through an EAP? At my husband's workplace, they have a hotline and you call them and they help set things up for you. You don't end up pushing the envelope with anyone you work with or report to - it's private.

I'm not sure, but I think we have the option of attending counseling during company time which would require notifying your boss. But, I don't believe you have to disclose the reason.

I do have a history of insominia/anxiety, so I'd probably tell the boss that's why I want to attend. I would never mention drinking.

tyler · 11-11-2009, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pboy

To be honest I really don't know.

I'm sure my reaction will be proportional to the consequences at work.
Additionally, to declare 100% abstinence I think I would need help.

From what I know about AA, I can't picture myself participating in that format, and right now due to squandering every paycheck at the bar I don't have a lot of money to attend professional counseling.

I recognize there's a problem and know if I walk into a bar during the work week there's a better than average chance I won't make it to work the next day no matter what my preconceived plan is.

As you seem to understand that you need help, and don't seem to have many options, why don't you try to have an open mind and give AA a try. Nobody is going to force you. Maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't. What's the worst thing that can happen? Why discount something that you've never tried? Take care.

**CarolD** · 11-11-2009, 07:43 AM

Perhaps this will give you options.....

National Drug and Alcohol Treatment Referral Routing Service available at
1-800-662-HELP
This service can provide you with information about treatment programs in your local community and allow you to speak with someone about alcohol problems

Just in case you ever choose to quit drinking...

I sure hope you will.

Payton · 11-11-2009, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pboy

I'm not sure, but I think we have the option of attending counseling during company time which would require notifying your boss. But, I don't believe you have to disclose the reason.

I do have a history of insominia/anxiety, so I'd probably tell the boss that's why I want to attend. I would never mention drinking.

If you don't know, then you really need to call! You're definitely not pushing any envelopes by gathering information. I am guessing they have something outside of work hours they can help set up for you.

Nettaja · 11-12-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pboy

I'm not sure, but I think we have the option of attending counseling during company time which would require notifying your boss. But, I don't believe you have to disclose the reason.

I do have a history of insominia/anxiety, so I'd probably tell the boss that's why I want to attend. I would never mention drinking.

If you think that will help - it otherwise might just give you a valid reason to avoid work even more and then drink more. For example, and I can't believe this now, but when I was drinking on a worknight I would actually look forward to the time I got a cold/the flu as that would give me a legitimate reason to get pissed a few nights as then I would be returning to work with a sniffle and red nose, so had a good excuse for the time off.:wtf2

Clutch B · 11-12-2009, 02:28 PM

Hey Pboy -- I just wanted to wish you well. Alot of good advice has been given here.

It's UGLY advice (not what anyone wants to hear).

It reminds me of when I took my old clunky car into the shop. I asked what needed to be done to fix it. They TOLD me. But I didn't like what they said. Too drastic and expensive. So I took it to another shop, and they told me the same thing. It sucked. But my car works now

Anyway I'm glad you're here, and I hope you keep posting.

Boleo · 11-12-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pboy

...no matter what my preconceived plan is.

It is not your plan that is the problem. Once you take a drink your preconceived plan goes out the window.

**CarolD** · 11-16-2009, 01:18 AM

Thanks everyone......

As this thread no longer has a purpose
Pboy has decided to head into sobriety..

It's now closed.

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CarolD Forum Leader Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Serene In Dixie Posts: 34,835	Perhaps this will give you options..... National Drug and Alcohol Treatment Referral Routing Service available at 1-800-662-HELP This service can provide you with information about treatment programs in your local community and allow you to speak with someone about alcohol problems Just in case you ever choose to quit drinking... I sure hope you will. __________________ Each Day Sober Is A Victory!! Joy In AA Recovery!

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CarolD Forum Leader Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Serene In Dixie Posts: 34,835	Thanks everyone...... As this thread no longer has a purpose Pboy has decided to head into sobriety.. It's now closed. __________________ Each Day Sober Is A Victory!! Joy In AA Recovery!

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11-10-2009, 08:43 PM	#101 (permalink)
Nevertheless Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: KC MO Posts: 402	I'm afraid whats wrong with you is you are an alcoholic. Have you ever heard the story in the Big book about the guy that keeps jumping out in front of street cars? He likes to jump out in front of them and try to get out of the way before he gets hit. He gets hit several times, but just keeps on doing it. He knows he will get hurt or killed eventually, but he can't stop.That is the perfect example of us alcoholics. Another example is everyone else knows it but the alcoholic. The first step is to admit it. Is there still any question in your mind that you are an alcoholic? I'm not trying to be harsh (well maybe I am), but thats the way I see it. Fred

11-10-2009, 09:02 PM	#102 (permalink)
chrisinaustin Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 161	In terms of your employer and EAP, once you let them know you are an alcoholic, you are protected under the law from termination. You're truly sick right now, and the protection is valid. It's a valid reason to be out. Right now, the only explanation they have is that you're just a bad employee. Use that gift to get help. From what you've posted, it would appear that your back IS against the wall, in every sense of the phrase.

11-12-2009, 02:28 PM	#111 (permalink)
Clutch B Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 354	Hey Pboy -- I just wanted to wish you well. Alot of good advice has been given here. It's UGLY advice (not what anyone wants to hear). It reminds me of when I took my old clunky car into the shop. I asked what needed to be done to fix it. They TOLD me. But I didn't like what they said. Too drastic and expensive. So I took it to another shop, and they told me the same thing. It sucked. But my car works now Anyway I'm glad you're here, and I hope you keep posting.

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