What "other" programs are there?
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Location: Fredericksburg, Va.
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The truth is the "program" may not fit the person. These folks who are "constitutionally incapable of being honest" are rarely told that there are other recovery methods.
Tib is there a program out there with any type of success rate that one can be dishonest in?
Dishonesty and sobriety are direct opposites. If I had refused to be honest with myself I would still be drinking.
Does anyone know of a program where dishonesty aides in sobriety?
Like I said I wish there was another program out there the size of AA, the success rates of both of them would go way up because of human nature. There are a lot of folks who would stay sober using program "A" just to where they could say program "A" works, I tried program "B" and it doesn't work!!! There would be other folks who would stay sober just to where they could say the exact opposite thing.
All of the programs out there would have 100% success rates if every person in them honestly followed 100% of the suggestions the program gave.
Programs, all programs try to lead an alcoholic away from the things that alcoholics do, like manipulation, lying, cheating, self pity, guilt, blaming others, self loathing, hate, lack of trust, not accepting responsibility for ones own actions, etc.
Drinking is but a symptom of alcoholism, programs try to teach alcoholics how to change them selfs to where they are no longing doing the things alcoholics do and not thinking they way we do.
How in the world one can recover and still be a liar using any program I do not know.
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My program is available 24/7, we pay a buck or two for each meeting, if we can afford it, if not, we don't.
I really think that there is room for all sorts of programs. No one program is the "winner".
Surely if a program helps someone get sober, then that should be the point.
Getting defensive and not listening to another's truth smacks of immaturity and insecurity. Being intolerant is not a sign of personal or spiritual growth.
Our personal program are not sports teams.
I am thankful that people find what works for them and turn their lives around.
I count AA members as some of my closest friends, they are not rude or boastful about their program, they share what worked for them.
Seren
I really think that there is room for all sorts of programs. No one program is the "winner".
Surely if a program helps someone get sober, then that should be the point.
Getting defensive and not listening to another's truth smacks of immaturity and insecurity. Being intolerant is not a sign of personal or spiritual growth.
Our personal program are not sports teams.
I am thankful that people find what works for them and turn their lives around.
I count AA members as some of my closest friends, they are not rude or boastful about their program, they share what worked for them.
Seren
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Butte, America
Posts: 10,946
Penn and Teller (possibly not the world's most reliable sources!)
I know how this is going to sound and believe it if you want, or discard it.
I lived this story - and I know it's true.
My best friend from high school has worked for these two men for the better part of twenty years now, off and on.
While they were doing their "Mofo, the Cosmic Gorilla" show on Broadway ...
is when my ex husband was arrested, charged and convicted of child molesting.
Wanna talk 'trauma' ?
Anyway -
Penn and Teller got word that this had happened.
They heard about my kids.
They packed up every 'suitable for children' show novelties,
t shirts, gifts ... that kind of 'mimento' stuff the sell in the lobby ...
including a video on how to do some of their gags ...
and sent it to my sons.
Including a 'special' video they made,
and taught my (then) ten year old son to juggle.
JUst .. up and made it for him alone.
They may well have saved his sanity.
I just want it known that these two men ...
meant the world to my sons in a very, very, dark time.
And to this day - mean the same to me.
So in MY opinion, natural margin of error assumed...
if they said so -
they've looked it up ... they do their research ...
and know.
Just my opinion ...
needed to share that.
You may return to your regularly scheduled program.
my apologies for the hijack.
Last edited by barb dwyer; 01-19-2008 at 11:48 PM.
same planet...different world
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Butte, America
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I know, sweetie ... I understand you meant nuthin ...
negative ...
- I just .. I dunno -
the story busted up outa me.
*shrug*
They're really really good guys, though.
and they know ... about addiction.
and they - research all options at the same time, too ... just like you are.
We are.
negative ...
- I just .. I dunno -
the story busted up outa me.
*shrug*
They're really really good guys, though.
and they know ... about addiction.
and they - research all options at the same time, too ... just like you are.
We are.
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by barb dwyer 
I do know individuals who got sober themselves, and are doing well ...
My programme is no drinking - ever - no matter what, no how, no way, nuh huh, no excuses.
Took me 15 years but I finally got it - I suck at drinking and I don't need it.
It's more than not drinking tho - it *has* to be or you'll go right back....
so I back this up with a little bit of self improvement, a lot of regular and rigorous self inventory, a lot of thought, prayer, and a goodly deal of stubborness, which seems to work for me rather than against me these days - go figure.....
I do service work, mostly by coming here, but other places too.
Mightn't work for everyone - my way includes a loooooooong fall over years down to the bottom of a deep hole as an ultimate wake up call...
And yep it may not eventually work for me - I'm not yet 10 months - but I've faced a few crises, I've learned I *can* cope sober and I feel good about what I'm doing.
I've changed - I like the new me, I love sobriety, I look forward to tomorrow. Those are genuine miracles. I'm in no respect a dry drunk IMO.
Nothing against AA - some of my best friends are AAers and it saved their life - but it's silly to push the AA is the only way thing...people got sober before 1935....
whatever works
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