Closed Threads

[chris k]

Im curious why some threads have been closed and people banned. I read the threads and still dont get it. The big book is very clear, after we work the steps,if we have other problems go get help from a doctor or some other professional. Some people do need meds, and that should be between them and their doctor.
One thing that I have seen happen alot is that someone will stop drinking on Monday, go to a doctor on Thursday and tell them they are depressed. I know that during my first few months I was very depressed, I had just lost my best friend in the world,Alcohol. For me as time went on and I went thru the process of the steps my depression got better.
At 7 years I went thru a depression and had a doctors appointment so I told him about it. he offered me drugs and I thought I would try the 12th step again first before I tried the drugs. 12th step did its trick for me. Other members of my family needed meds. Its up to the individual and their doctor.

[Peter]

Often banning is a result of an accumulation of circumstances which goes beyond what is actually percieved in the final post or thread.

A thread may be closed because it deviates too far off topic or because it violates one or more of the posting rules ,or it may be closed pending review.

[best]

and the banning can also be a result of what is seen on the boards as well as what is asked for or said in PMs.
Not all gets seen and not many get banned.
5 in one year that I know of.

Theres a whole Forum devoted to the Rules, Regulations, and Posting Tips. Everybody can view it any time they choose to. Anytime, it's always open.

[CarolD]

Yes Doug....but seldom read! Love your new hat!! And...

:bba:

[roadie58]

I got a three day vacation recently for trying to persuade a member that yellow was a bad color for text.

[Chabroso]

Originally Posted by roadie58

I got a three day vacation recently for trying to persuade a member that yellow was a bad color for text.

Man now that's seriously stepping over the line.

Do I take it that the post by Best is telling us that PM's are not private at all but are read by the moderators????

Originally Posted by roadie58

I got a three day vacation recently for trying to persuade a member that yellow was a bad color for text.

Yeah. It was as simple as that Roadie. We do it because we're mean, we enjoy it, and because we can right? Do you want me to pull those "persuassion" threads out so we can see, again, how it was done? Would you care to take this into Private Message where it belongs?

We're out of control, mean, heavy handed, senseless, ruthless and un-kind. But for some reason, we keep growing by leaps and bounds. And the regulars keep coming back, even the ones who feel they been stripped of some mysterious rights, they don't have in the first place.

Please, before you leave this thread, read the links in my signature. Read them carefully, twice if you need to.

No, we don't and can't read PM's. In my above post I stated they were threads, and we have them saved. They were made in public for all to see.

[Dan]

Whoa...
I have rights that have been taken away...
Who knew.

Heres just a few...

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From posting tips....


If you feel your message has been unreasonably deleted, or if you wish to complain about a post that you find offensive then please get in touch with the moderators through a private message. Don't try to handle the situation yourself. It often makes the situation worse.

[iacutey]

This seems appropriate;

Nazism was the ideology held by the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, commonly called NSDAP or the Nazi Party), which was led by its Führer (leader), Adolf Hitler. The word Nazism is most often used in connection with the dictatorship of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 (the "Third Reich"), and it is derived from the term National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, often abbreviated NS). Adherents of Nazism held that the Aryan race were superior to other races, and they promoted Germanic racial supremacy and a strong, centrally governed state. Nazism has been outlawed in modern Germany, yet small remnants and revivalists, known as "Neo-Nazis", continue to operate in Germany and abroad.

Originally, Nazi was invented by analogy to Sozi (a common and slightly pejorative term for the Nazis' main opponents, the socialists in Germany). The Nazis from the era of the Third Reich rarely referred to themselves as "Nazis", preferring the official term "National Socialists" instead. Nazi was most commonly used as a pejorative term; however, its use became so widespread that, currently, some Neo-Nazis also use it to describe themselves.

There is a very close relationship between Nazism and Fascism. Since the term Nazism is normally used to refer to the ideology and policies of Nazi Germany alone, while Fascism is used in a broader sense, to refer to a wider political movement that exists or existed in many countries, Nazism is often classified as a particular version of Fascism.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by iacutey

This seems appropriate;

Nope.
This seems like you're a cry baby who didn't get what he wanted when he wanted it.

[bikewench]

Comparing SR to Nazism....

oh brother... lol..
too funny...


Well..
having spent a part of my life eschewing all rules.. just cause they was a rule... ;o)
I now .. being an older.. more mature.. non-head up my butt 24/7 kinda gal....
I see the need for order and a very large playing field of middle ground that must be protected and maintained for the safety and good of all....

[Gooch]

Ever notice the tendancy to complain, find fault with or attempt to detract from ...

the people who do by the people who don't, won't, never have, and probably never will?

[roadie58]

I would like to say in defense of SR that these Forums are available to the public, but are PRIVATELY RUN organizations. Therefore they can make any rules they wish. Free speech as provided by the Constitution of the United States has no bearing here at all.

I've heard the Nazi bit on another Forum I'm a member of. It's an arguement that doesn't hold water.

Doug, I'm sorry, you're quite correct. The PM's about the bizarre type colors did take a bit of bad turn, in the way of NAME CALLING, which is not allowable. Please notice however that the practice of using yellow and light green for type faces has been discontinued by that member. So my advice was correct in the grand scheme of things, although I was too strong-willed in my advice. Sorry.

Michael

[Peter]

Originally Posted by Chabroso

Do I take it that the post by Best is telling us that PM's are not private at all but are read by the moderators????

No.

[Peter]

Originally Posted by iacutey

This seems appropriate;

Nazism was the ideology held by the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, commonly called NSDAP or the Nazi Party), which was led by its Führer (leader), Adolf Hitler. The word Nazism is most often used in connection with the dictatorship of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 (the "Third Reich"), and it is derived from the term National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, often abbreviated NS). Adherents of Nazism held that the Aryan race were superior to other races, and they promoted Germanic racial supremacy and a strong, centrally governed state. Nazism has been outlawed in modern Germany, yet small remnants and revivalists, known as "Neo-Nazis", continue to operate in Germany and abroad.

Originally, Nazi was invented by analogy to Sozi (a common and slightly pejorative term for the Nazis' main opponents, the socialists in Germany). The Nazis from the era of the Third Reich rarely referred to themselves as "Nazis", preferring the official term "National Socialists" instead. Nazi was most commonly used as a pejorative term; however, its use became so widespread that, currently, some Neo-Nazis also use it to describe themselves.

There is a very close relationship between Nazism and Fascism. Since the term Nazism is normally used to refer to the ideology and policies of Nazi Germany alone, while Fascism is used in a broader sense, to refer to a wider political movement that exists or existed in many countries, Nazism is often classified as a particular version of Fascism.

Appropriate for what.....?

[Five]

Can I just say to Riplyn that I too "done everything" in meetings, and was still just carefuly told that I should do more. Which is natural for AA members to do - as they believe the steps will help almost anyone who has had a problem with drinking.

What I needed was more knowledge: more knowledge about alcoholisim, about recovery, about OTHER theories and thoughts about alcoholisim and then go from there.

I can understand what you are going through - I have suffered deep dark depressions and been gently told that it was my "ego" causing it. Which I now think is well meaning gibberish.

Riplyn, a doctor too is always a good bet - there is a real improvement in mental health services these days with some good therapies. Also medication is good.

Hang on in, and post, and PM if you want.

[Five]

Originally Posted by chris k

Im curious why some threads have been closed and people banned. I read the threads and still dont get it. The big book is very clear, after we work the steps,if we have other problems go get help from a doctor or some other professional. Some people do need meds, and that should be between them and their doctor.
One thing that I have seen happen alot is that someone will stop drinking on Monday, go to a doctor on Thursday and tell them they are depressed. I know that during my first few months I was very depressed, I had just lost my best friend in the world,Alcohol. For me as time went on and I went thru the process of the steps my depression got better.
At 7 years I went thru a depression and had a doctors appointment so I told him about it. he offered me drugs and I thought I would try the 12th step again first before I tried the drugs. 12th step did its trick for me. Other members of my family needed meds. Its up to the individual and their doctor.

It does say go to the "doctor" but, according to some, thats only if it is "organic".

jez wept.

[Done-With-It]

The PM's about the bizarre type colors did take a bit of bad turn, in the way of NAME CALLING, which is not allowable. Please notice however that the practice of using yellow and light green for type faces has been discontinued by that member. So my advice was correct in the grand scheme of things, although I was too strong-willed in my advice. Sorry.

I am torn on even posting this. But since "I AM" being talked about here.


Tar and feather me for using the yellow and green.
Good grief. I HAVE the black background, I did not realize it was so hard to read for those of you still on the white background.
And Roadie "Your Advice" to me, Did nothing but
upset me because of the tone. Like I wasn't already having a hard enough time as it was. It SURE DID NOT make me change and not use them anymore.

So my advice was correct in the grand scheme of things, although I was too strong-willed in my advice. Sorry

If you think........ Upsetting someone over the COLORS THEY USE,
slamming someone about "Their Embellishments" is Correct......

Well more power to you. Congratulations......

My "Embellishments" are very much a Part of who "I AM".....

I am not as emotional as I first was when I was
"Coming off of Meth"...
Dealing with the withdrawals was my first priority not worrying about who could and couldn't read my posts.

If you want to know exactly what made me Stop using
the Yellow and Green, It was Angel girl who simply told
me, I love ya girl, but I can't read the yellow.

Oh, Okay~Let me figure out why~and that is why I no longer use it now. It's not because you decided to rip on me for it.
I don't take well to brow beating.

And that's it for me. I'm not going to argue about it.
There is a very good thing here at SR, it's called the
ignore button. I've used it and if I annoy anyone
I AM Okay with that, really, Please use it and ignore me
and my embellishments.

I AM NOW OFF TO GO HAVE

A

VERY

HAPPY

NEW

YEAR

THANK YOU FOR STARTING IT SO GREAT.

Doug I knew you were Hitler in disguise.

I knew there was something about you.

I just couldn't pin point it.

And they thought Hitler was evil then.

They should see how bad you are now.

Wow.

[Ba Ba Oreilley]

why are you discussing rules and cry babies in the AA forum anyway?

there are no rules in AA, and the cry babies are allowed to cry until they either pick up a drink or the program. hopefully the program.

if you adress evey silly remark made, or stupid comparison to assinine ideologies, thenb you are only fueling them. ignore them and they usually go away!

yeah i know it's a recovery site, but recovery is all about life on life's terms. you don't like something move on, or do something to change it.

bitching changes nothing, actions create change

[findingout]

Originally Posted by Peter

Appropriate for what.....?

Proof of Godwin's Law?

Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.