ALCOHOL is a DRUG !!

[2dayzmuse]

Wilky: Discuss? Feel free, I've got no problem with that. However, rehashing and bashing gets tiresome. Your understanding of the Big Book is better than mine or sombody elses? So be it. You win. I still work the same program as you to the best of my ability today. I'm sure there is room for improvement for everyone. Progress not perfection.

Now...shall we discuss ego's?

[wantneeda]

Well i gotta say WOW, i'm pretty new to the program, and i am an alcoholic AND an addict, in my area i hear the introductions often stated as such, i do say i am a drug addicted alcoholic called Wendy. I have never had any flack over it. To think of someone showing me the door jsut has me shaking my head. As NA isn't as strong here or has the long time sobriety i want i choose to go to AA. For myself cocaine took me to my bottom and i've relapsed shortly after a 28 day program...but it started with a joint, progressed to alcohol which lead me to my DOC hence 6 months later and very near death i hit what was hopefully my last bottom. My first drunk was at 3 years old, dandelion wine consumed in the closet with the little boy neighbor. Fast forward a few years, around 8 years old and up, dinners at gram and gramps on special occasions my sis and i would be "treated" to a shot of baby duck.
My obsession started with alcohol i jsut found what i wanted in coke, if ever there was no doc then alcohol became the second choice. Both substances have ruined alot of things in my life.
I have the disease of alcoholism, i have the disease of addiction, they are the same to me. I sure hope no one dies from being shown out of a meeting. i even at times read out of the NA basic text because the language used in the BB has me searching through the dictionary. the only difference in the 12 steps for these 2 programs is in step 1, by 1 word.
I take what i need and leave the rest. the only thing i know about the meaning of a "real" alcoholic is that i am POSITIVE i fit the bill, i can't drink, i can't stop at one.
I am also a "real" drug addict, i can't stop at one. Being that my DOC BECAME cocaine and AA has saved my life as i know it today, i'm going to keep going.

[lulu70]

e·go·ma·ni·a Obsessive preoccupation with the self.

I happen to know that the traditions are inspired, as is the big book, by God. They have been given to us as a society to hold us together. Make no mistake that there are alot of old timers, like myself, that WILL strive to keep hold our local groups to the traditions and keep focused on our primary purpose. I will give any non-alcoholic a schedule of NA, GA, CA, OA, MA, ect.... meetings and show him the door.

Dan, no games to be played. Just like to let you know, that I know that you don't know.

I see an awful lot of "I", "self", "me". Your "ism" is showing.

Would you care to explain this a little further? I don't understand how ANY group, and what they do or don't do, can affect your sobriety?

Actually, no. I do not care to explain any further.

Also, ego-mania is basically love of self. How can you begin to learn to love yourself when the entire book is geared to getting rid of self? Self love got me here.

See definition of ego-mania above. There is a BIG difference between loving yourself and being an ego-maniac.

[3legacy]

"Very few of us know how much we have to know in order to know the little we know."- Old German saying mentioned in AA Comes of Age

Does not sound like ego at least from my perspective. Nor does it appear laced with simply more false-humility often used to mask the real issues. Stand for something or you might just fall for everything I was told. Let responsibility be cast upon others and a fatuous idea of God is about the best you will ever get.

I personally thank God for

:aasmile

[wantneeda]

guess i butted in there..sorry

[lulu70]

Hey 3legs--What doesn't sound like ego? Just curious.

Wantneeda--You didn't butt in at all! I am glad you are here!