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04-03-2005, 01:38 PM
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| Member  Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beaver, WA
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| Carl's Thought, followed by some of my own Quote:
If there is anything we (you or I) wish to change in Alcoholics Anonymous, we should first examine it and see whether it is not something that could be better changed in ourselves. From my perspective both are thoughts worth pondering. But then again, what do I know? Well, I certainly know much more than I once did while living in ignorance with contempt prior to investigation of A.A.'s spritual principles. I've seen some of these wonderful principles used as weapons but eventually find their way into application as the tools they were meant to be after the tornado's dust settles. I hope and pray to see more of it around day by day. I wish to continue growing and to understand more while also growing in effectiveness in carrying A.A.'s message instead of my own to the still suffering alcoholic. Sometimes troublemakers, both inside and outside of my personal circle can be good teachers indeed. My way did not work. Once I made the AA Way of Living my personal choice as an alternative to my own drinking dilemma, amazing things began to happen. I stopped getting drunk, I got visitation with my son, I found a job, then dabbled in a career, found ease and comfort in living which previously only a drink could give me until it eventually ceased to work as well... and many many other wonderful gifts such as becoming happy, joyous, & free. Even the freedom to be ME! I still do a **** poor job of staying in Sainthood, LOL except at Christmas time in my white beard. At least today I'm learning to get more and more honest not only with myself, but also with others in the process. (((((((((((SR A-Z, #'s included))))))))))) but most of all I thank the A.A.'s who came before me and kept the spiritual principles embodied in our Three Legacies of RECOVERY, UNITY & SERVICE paramount in their minds when they got into action. :aasmile a life-preserver for me personally when I was drowning :sink and all alone  1
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04-03-2005, 01:58 PM
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| Where am I now?????????  Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: still finding out...still looking
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|  My thoughts..... I have many thoughts right now.....I am a recovering alcholic of 7 years. I recently was diagnosed with an anurysm that I am currently awaiting surgery for. It has been a lesson in patience, my program and just plain keeping my sanity. I feel at work, the first day of my new job, and the Dr. wanted a Cat scan to make sure that nothing else was wrong....a blessing in disguise. I feel better knowing it is there as the neurosurgeon told me it would have ruptered eventually. I am glad that they found it but scared about the surgery....I could IF everything to death but we all know that does not help. One day at a time....I am at times taking 5 minutes at a time. It is difficult and has made me humble, to say the least.....I really think that I have become more aware of everything....my sobriety, my family (they are all dysfunctional), that is really hard because I sure could use some support right now.....Peace OUT.....Steve
__________________ Your first instinct is ALWAYS right; it is your ego that keeps you from doing it......AA SPONSER |
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04-03-2005, 02:04 PM
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| Not the center of the Universe  Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Orchard Lake, Michigan
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Awesome post 3legacy. Everytime I had and have a problem with A.A., it eventually comes down to something I need to examine in myself. Even if that something is just the willingness to let other people experience their own recovery in their own way in their own time. For sure, I have to believe that A.A. has been keeping people sober longer than I've been sober (or alive for that matter). And so far, it's been keeping me sober and happy and free. Which is why I am in recovery in the first place. As for Sainthood? Not me man, the hours are too long. I'll just work at being the best human I can be one day at a time and continue to claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection. One Love, One Heart, Jah Bless, Tony
__________________ Yes, I am an alcoholic. But that's not all that I am... |
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04-03-2005, 02:11 PM
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| Don't get undies in a bunch  Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Shore MA
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Thank you Carl That put my feelings into words. When I see something in others I don't like, I am these days trying to find 2 things in me that may need be changed before I even try to correct another. Some days my 2 thing search keeps me busy enough that I have time to think better on the actions of others. (time helps keep feet out of mouth) Gtreat post 3 legs
__________________ * I asked God to spare me pain. God said "No", Suffering draws you apart from worldly cares and brings you closer to me.  Recovery Related Acronym B. E. S. T. = Been Enjoying Sobriety Today? |
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04-03-2005, 02:33 PM
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| Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London
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The quote by Jung appears strangely out of context. I wonder if Jung is referring to the idea that if you want to help the child, treat the parents, ie. the child, often brought for treatment is not the problem. So its kind of odd that you have turned it around this way. I do respect your personally held view of what you do in your life. However, we seem to have different understandings of what AA is all about. I see AA as an evolving mass of legally and morally free alcoholics who may individually choose their own path, whatever it may be. I don't see any obligation to follow any particular program. All the best |
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04-03-2005, 02:38 PM
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| Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beaver, WA
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(((((((((Steve))))))))) Care to join me in the chatroom to better get to know one another? I have taken a friend of mine to the hospital for a sub aortic anurism and a sub aracnoid one as well. He has a follow up visit scheduled on the previous sub-aortic surgey coming up tomorrow in Seattle. Not sure if I am taking him or if his kids are finally getting off their butts and realizing what a gift their Dad really is. Best wishes and many prayers for you and yours and I would love to catch up live time with you if at all possible. |
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04-03-2005, 02:47 PM
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| Member  Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laredo, Tx
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I recall resenting people in Alcoholics Anonymous (MY FELLOWSHIP) who didn't do the work as extensively and who were not as into it as I was when I began it..I remember even resenting old timers that didn't do the work..and the reason I resented them was because I HAD TO and THEY DIDN'T.. It's allright if people are in the middle of the road solutions that's fine..Let em be..That's what at least works for me-the attitude of letting them be and being there for the guys that NEED to do the work..I'm not in the fewlloship of AA to change the way people think..I don't work with alcoholics because THEY are alcoholics..I work with alcoholics because I am an alcoholic.. Let God create the fellowship YOU CRAVE |
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04-03-2005, 02:59 PM
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| Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beaver, WA
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I do what I do today cuz "I get to". Must be part of that psychic change mentioned in the Doctors Opinion or something cuz I too used to "HAVE TO".  I am an active participant......... in creation as well as preservation. Why, because I am an alcoholic. Another alcoholic who has found a way out of my common problem, and upon which I too can join together with others who have as well and even some who can abolutely agree to participate in our common solution through brotherly and harmonious action.  | |
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05-30-2005, 08:56 AM
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Another polite and gentle BUMP........... Timing of many of the previous posts which I've recently Bumped could be very telling if we are interested in the Solution. Quantity of posts becomes yelling from a pulpit in my often less than humble opinion. Yet, many an opinion I hear being yelled loudly and quite often comes from folks not the least interested in taking the time to research A.A.'s Principles. I personally enjoy quality in the most simple things. That does not mean I'm not willing to jump into the fray of the most complex concepts of group dynamics either. I can even get into quantity at times. Keeping It Simple for me is returning to the principles of Alcoholics Anonymous embodied in "Our" Three Legacies of Recovery, Unity & Service. Even upon a "generic"(no offense intended with this descriptive and very appropo word) web-community such as this, mutual respect is key to harmony. It is an honest two way street. As politely as possible I request those of differing views, ideas, programs, beliefs, etc... not to take God or the AA Spiritual Principles out of this particular Forum. I've stood up for your right to express minority opinion on many occassions and I would greatly appreciate mutual respect and your not demonizing mine. Minority opinion(from Concept IV, I believe) in Alcoholics Anonymous is generally given by another alcoholic. One who is a member in the autonomous group. One who truly does care about AA and its future. I am passionate about A.A., not angry at it or our members. I want the drunk who is seeking Alcoholics Anonymous today and tomorrow to be given the truth instead of having piles of debris and outside stuff burying it. If you do not, your actions become very revealing to me and hopefully many more as they investigate instead of only having contempt. I am not a Saint, but I am neither a doormat to the contrived and purposeful assault & ignorance covering the Spiritual Principles that gave me a life both in and outside of Alcoholics Anonymous. I am Smart enough to see a master of facilitation in techniques of mind control work his magic. I am also smart enough to see the concept of Group Think being applied to Alcoholics Anonymous by some with their own brand of it. Why, appears to be for the purposes of demonizing A.A. While being led by cunning and shrewd manipulators into another form of Group Think called Blissful Ignorance, I suggest you awaken spiritually to the real battle going on upon this forum. There is a good reason a couple gentleman will not take time to converse individually with me in the Chatroom. It's not as simple as some of you have labeled me. Sure I can be a ***** as well as the next guy. How about investigating our AA Principles before bashing my personality again and again even if my personality sucks. You don't know what you know until you know it. And, very few of us know how much we have to know in order to know the little we know. Practical experience is much better teacher than reading books & theorization ever will be. I am no better than nor worse than any. This post is not coming from a preacher or the pulpit. It simply comes from an SR member who happens to believe in the autonomy of Alcoholics Anonymous and has the head, heart, and even balls to stand for it instead of falling for everything else which may or may not hold substance for some. A.A. is filled with a spiritual substance, at least for this alcoholic. ((((((((((SR A-Z))))))))))) Kiss Heart of Spirit In Love & Service, 3 Legacy |
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05-30-2005, 09:43 AM
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| Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London
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I believe you are referring to myself as one of the gentlemen that will not take time to converse with you in the chatroom. I am sorry you are upset or disappointed about this. I don't understand what is so imperative about speaking in a chat room as opposed talking openly on a forum. Obviously you have your reasons, but I don't understand them. Occasionaly I have had PM exchanges. Sometimes there has been a mutual slating which would have probably been moderated on the forums. I do not get involved with PM's either unless I trust the individuals integrity and that they will not wilfully manipulate the facts so as to be deceitful later. I am sorry I don't understand where you coming from with this inference about chat and I apologise that I am not overly interested in understanding. | |
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05-30-2005, 09:52 AM
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As politely as possible, Ty for the input and please check out your own integrity before inferring mine is in question. Moving On............. | |
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05-30-2005, 10:44 AM
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Last time I met you in the chatroom, you walked out. Lemme know if you want to try again some day. Wanna shed the labels you and I put on eachother? Together? That I can do any day of the week. | |
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05-30-2005, 11:20 AM
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| Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beaver, WA
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I suggest you deal with your own labels. I might also suggest you grow up, move on, and take the advice Doug gave US in PM. Place me on block, grow up, and move on............. As politely as possible and only in that Spirit TY for your input whether I want it or not. PS I see your still lurking so I will add this Kiss Heart of Spirit but never your butt In Love & Service, Brett | |
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05-30-2005, 11:46 AM
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What outside source is it you are referring to? And, by the way do I have permission to post your PM here seeing as how the Smart AA thread got closed and you were able to open and close another thread so quickly as well? Thanks in advance for a polite reply, Brett | |
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05-30-2005, 11:51 AM
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| Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Beaver, WA
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Sure is KelKel, but the Conference approved literature from Our AA Service Manual that started the other thread I posted from is quite wonderful, isn't it? Would love to see you posting there. Crap like I see flung on this thread is just what helped allow our General Service Conference to Flower. WE can now begin to live again. ((((((((KelKel)))))))) Kiss Heart of Spirit In Love & Service, Brett PS....... Leaving the chatroom after nearly an hour if anyone was "honestly" interested. Enjoyed a wonderful conversation there with another alcoholic member who also branches out .......... from AA. What a great foundation AA provides. | |
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05-30-2005, 01:05 PM
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05-30-2005, 01:18 PM
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So Be It. Please Move on instead of playing your childish games, if you would .......... Probably best if we not presently & under the circumstances. (((((((((SR A-Z)))))))) Kiss Hearts of Spirit but not Dan or anyone elses butts. 3 Legacy | |||
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05-30-2005, 01:29 PM
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Can relate to that. Heading out to get good soil in the shoes myself then I will return and check who's serious about what? Have a great day (((((((TracyAgain)))))))) kiss heart of Spirit In Love & Service, Brett | |
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