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How can I be so confused about what you're talking about? I thought secularism was simply "without organized religion".
As far as teaching being done by living things or inanimate objects, I think people can learn from both. If I drop a rock on my head, I learn that it hurts and I shouldn't do that again. I don't need anyone around to tell me that.
And lastly, my technical hair splitting about changing minds, I think that a person can believe something and present evidence to support their belief, but ultimately cannot change another person's mind for them. An individual will change his or her own mind if he or she receives enough information to warrant a mind changing. But I get what you all are saying.
Cool thread. Good mind exercises.
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