[Mogqua]

Originally Posted by BubbaBob

(and there IS a program, though unconventional)

It also helps family members that simply either don't have a clue, or that try to understand, but can't.

...but I have said before that any program, including standing on your head with your finger in your ear while farting "Dixie" for an hour a day, is fine if it WORKS. His obviously does, for him.

BubbaBob

I actually see his 'program' as quite conventional and very common.
Much like many beginning fourth steps I've read.
Just as lenghty and just as angry.
Although it lacks clarity.
His attempts at "unringing that bell" of going to a rehab rings ever louder.
A letigious logic sees it for what it is and isn't and tells the observer that everything else from that point on is an emotional opinion with no factual basis.

But on these other two points I agree with you.
I noticed that the best reviews were written by 'codies' seeking the vicarious experience and that is something.
Since I don't need vicarious experiences of this type I would be in the group of "been there, done that, no need to go back."

I also agree that ANY program you work will work if you want it to work.

And about him helping more than any of us?
That really can't be known, now can it?
There is no real way to find out either.

Now two books I keep hearing over and over that have seemed to help many more are:

"A New Pair of Glasses" By Chuck C.
(AA member) of which I have read and don't necessarily agree whole-heartedly with, but still a good read.

AND:

"Drinking: A Love Story" By Caroline Knapp
(A non AA member) of which I have only read many excerpts and found them to be insightful and well written.
I will eventually buy that book.

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To those that feel "patonized and threatened," you will have to take responsibilty for your own feelings and stop blaming others for them.

When viewed objectively I am considered by most as pro-logic and pro-recovery, regardless of method.
Not a fundamentalist to any per se.

Bitter or better is a choice. Your choice.

But y'all keep coming back and in the meen time,
think it through,
think beyond,
and...

Be Well.