[Mogqua]

Originally Posted by Chy

...many words are being put into someone's mouth none of us know.

But like I said, it doesn't matter to me what or how just that he did.

I think many recovery programs that are not 12 step based do in fact uses elements of the program and the only difference is the change in semantics.

Hold on, one day at a time, same concept different words, but it's his words, the words that worked for him, know what I mean?

I agree, that many words including that of his mindset when entering recovery you proposed are being implemented here without knowledge,
therefore we can only deal with what is presented on that first post and whether we agree or not and why.

I agreed, but added that it was a limitation to my freedom.

I use to work with the DD community and finding a spot that works for each of them is paramount.
A person without the compassion of knowing each clients limitations doesn't make it very long.
But we don't have to live by those limitations just to make them comfortable, we must find their point of limitation and challenge them to grow beyond it.

I agree with you about semantics and his words and congratulate him, yet a third time and hope that he may one day open his mind to see the similarities in semantics one day also.

You know the old addage,
"you can tell an alcoholic, but you can't tell him much"
There is so much more to tell.

There is a certain thing that FaeryQueen was leaning towards as it sometimes seems to be almost a curse as much as a blessing, that given the words, there are rarely ears to hear.

And the reason is told to us in the Tao as well.

Be Well