[Mogqua]

Originally Posted by minnie

And are often a result of a new zest for life when the bottom has been reached.

Right Minnie and since either can be true they cannot be the sole confirmation of where a person is in life.

When told of all the "things" he did I could have simply said, "so!"
That has nothing to do with what we are actually discussing.

Things are just things and are a poor definition of self.
Bringing them in to win a perceived argument is really not dealing with the issue at hand.

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