[Redmayne]

1. If you look on the ,'Where are you' forums you will see a considerable number of posts instigated either by me or to which I have contributed!

Yet another unfounded and ungrounded personal attack on me, not much room for discussion hear.

This isn't going to stop, is it.

2. Pursuing the abstract theory of, 'nature v. nature', and without empirical proof, that's all it is. On that basis, I'll stick to reality, for that's where real recovery and sobriety lies, certainly not in abstract theories, there are. appreciating this is not an exact science, nothing to do with addictions, no matter what their cause or symptoms is,

a. those society generally regards as ,'alcoholics' (nurture), alcohol is an addictive drug, drink it in sufficient strength and volume there is every chance you'll become an addict, throw in other influences, lifestyle , peer pressure etc. and they'll up that risk. Much research has been done on this to vouch for it's veracity.

b. then we have those referred to as ,'real alcoholics', like me, referred to in the first line of Chapter 3, of the book,'Alcoholics Anonymous, 4th Ed., Page 30. Science has now proved that their digestive symptoms, (nature) provided in their genetic composure at birth, do not digest alcohol at the same rate as a ,'normal social ' drinker, 1oz per hour, instead the alcohol (drug) remains in their bodies,metabolising at a much slower rate, with the result it causes all the problems generally associated with alcohol dependency. Probably best described as an,'accident waiting to happen', if that person never took a drink, they'd be fine. But thee are no warning signs that might erupt in other allergies. Although in ,'The Doctor's Opinion' , in thebook,'Alcoholics Anonymous', first published he refers to a,'physical allergy' and the need for a ,'psychic change'!

Now most of those generally referred to as alcoholics, (nurture) , will with the right approach, care and where necessary treatment, (rehabilitation) respond and providing they don't return to their old habits, live sober lives.

Those, roughly 8% of the ,'alcoholic population' whoare ,'real alcoholics' will go in and out of rehabilitation facilities like revolving doors, and continue to drink, no problem. Which is where both the ,'physical allergy' and ,'psychic change' come in, as described in the ,'TheDoctor's Opinion' and the first 164 pages of the bok,'Alcoholics Anonymous',which contain the suggested programme of recovery, contained in the 12 Step Programme.

Which explains why for me, who wasone ofthose fortunmate individuals who had a ,'spiritual experience', which resulted in my alcoholism being taken from me, am a keen advocate of this path for recovery and sobriety.

Now whilst I'm not yet old enough to be wise, I am old enough to be phiosophical, and accept that others may advocate a different approach to both recovery and long term sobriety, wonderful! My problem is,along with a number of health professionals, counsellors etc., is that I've yet to see this work, that's not to say, particularly in the case of, 'real alcoholics', others yes, falling in love, a geographical move, good employment, those things that bring responsibility and restore dignity to someones life.

There's much I've left unsaid, simply to attract constructive comment or criticism, as I understand it, this is an open discussion within the parameters of the aims and objectives of,'The Sober Recovery Community' where the maxim is,'Either we all count, or no one counts!' No room for personal attacks, or sanctimonous, ego building , unless of course I'm in the wrong place, then I'll leave. No point going where you're not wanted, right!