Fancie I have joined this group today because ,I have realized subs are no better than taking the real deal if on to long .Its been six years for me on subs . I am feeling like the same old addict ,I use to be before switching .Except I have my wits about me once again. Good Luck in whatever you choose . I am now on a journey to stop the subs also as ,I feel myself slipping backward not forward any longer . I am also realizing why people say subs are good in short term .