I have been debating on taking Sub, but I am on Day 2 of detox, and withdraw is terrible. I feel like crap but I am not going to let the monkey win this battle. I have been taking Norco 10mg for 2 years now, I got 180/month and went through them in less than 3 weeks. I finally told myself enough is enough when I yelled at my 3 year old for no other reason than I was pissed because I was out of dope. I am trying this without the Sub and will keep posting to let you know how its going....