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navysteve · 10-17-2009, 07:50 PM

Here is one reason:

German AA "crime"

In 1993, following the disastrous legal action by AAWS concerning the circle and triangle, the General Service Conference formed an Ad Hoc Committee to look into how best to protect our trademarks and copyrights and stay within the Traditions. This Committee was to report back to the 1994 Conference with their recommendations. The Committee met and, unable to come to a consensus within that Committee, they reported back to the Conference with a recommendation that the Conference allow the entire Fellowship to discuss the issue for a period of two years, to allow a general discussion among the the Fellowshop, and arrive at an informed opinion of what measures should be taken in matters of protecting the trademarks and copyrights. In the meantime AAWS formulated what they called a new policy concerning litigation. That policy, to paraphrase, was that AAWS would enter into litigation only after all other avenues had been exhausted. A "Floor Action" was introduced asking the Conference to accept the "new" AAWS policy on litigation. This "Floor Action" was voted on by the 1994 Conference and was rejected by a vote of 80 some odd opposed and 30 some odd in favor. In spite of the better than two-thirds rejection by the Conference, the "new" AAWS policy on litigation is still in effect.

I have no problem throwing a buck in the basket, but I have a problem when my voice isn't listened to. I was sober when all this went down and it pissed me off. I drifted away from AA for years and crap like this was central to my decision to get away. I have since come to believe that I must fix AA from within. Does that sound a bit egotistical? No more so than the balls it took GSO to NOT liten to the wishes of the fellowship!

Question GSO about money?

Every damn penny!
The German lawsuit was in response to folks in Germany printing their own Big Book- the translated ones given to them by GSO were horrible. Here is a website that addresses some of the issues with the book:

AA Corps Sue Member

The 11 chapters contain the word "spiritual" 108 times in the multilith manuscript and 106 times in the 3rd Edition. The German GSO translation of 1983 contains the word "spiritual" only eight times. The result of anti-spiritual efforts, it was mostly replaced by "seelisch -- psychological" and/or by "geistig -- intellectual."

Having been to AA meetings in Eastern Europe I noticed that God was not talked about, no prayers at the meetings were said- I wonder if it was the culture or the translation of the books from New York?

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navysteve Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 1,808	Here is one reason: German AA "crime" In 1993, following the disastrous legal action by AAWS concerning the circle and triangle, the General Service Conference formed an Ad Hoc Committee to look into how best to protect our trademarks and copyrights and stay within the Traditions. This Committee was to report back to the 1994 Conference with their recommendations. The Committee met and, unable to come to a consensus within that Committee, they reported back to the Conference with a recommendation that the Conference allow the entire Fellowship to discuss the issue for a period of two years, to allow a general discussion among the the Fellowshop, and arrive at an informed opinion of what measures should be taken in matters of protecting the trademarks and copyrights. In the meantime AAWS formulated what they called a new policy concerning litigation. That policy, to paraphrase, was that AAWS would enter into litigation only after all other avenues had been exhausted. A "Floor Action" was introduced asking the Conference to accept the "new" AAWS policy on litigation. This "Floor Action" was voted on by the 1994 Conference and was rejected by a vote of 80 some odd opposed and 30 some odd in favor. In spite of the better than two-thirds rejection by the Conference, the "new" AAWS policy on litigation is still in effect. I have no problem throwing a buck in the basket, but I have a problem when my voice isn't listened to. I was sober when all this went down and it pissed me off. I drifted away from AA for years and crap like this was central to my decision to get away. I have since come to believe that I must fix AA from within. Does that sound a bit egotistical? No more so than the balls it took GSO to NOT liten to the wishes of the fellowship! Question GSO about money? Every damn penny! The German lawsuit was in response to folks in Germany printing their own Big Book- the translated ones given to them by GSO were horrible. Here is a website that addresses some of the issues with the book: AA Corps Sue Member The 11 chapters contain the word "spiritual" 108 times in the multilith manuscript and 106 times in the 3rd Edition. The German GSO translation of 1983 contains the word "spiritual" only eight times. The result of anti-spiritual efforts, it was mostly replaced by "seelisch -- psychological" and/or by "geistig -- intellectual." Having been to AA meetings in Eastern Europe I noticed that God was not talked about, no prayers at the meetings were said- I wonder if it was the culture or the translation of the books from New York? __________________ No rhetoric Just results All Big Book quotes are from first edition