[joedris]

Dear sfgirl, We're splitting hairs here. As you asked, Why could your friends spontaneously stop and we couldn't? It's because we're alcoholics and I will argue that they're not. I argue that they did not qualify as alcohol dependent for a period of time. They certainly qualified as alcohol abusers per DSM IV. But did they exhibit withdrawal symptoms or indicate a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down? They were successful in cutting down.

If you choose to believe that there exists a finite period of chemical dependency then by all means do so. We simply agree to disagree. But we're all in agreement (even my friend bugsworth) that the important thing here is that an alcoholic stop drinking. Whatever method or program they choose to accomplish this is irrevelant. I've always maintained that if howling at the moon will help keep you sober, then howl away.

People come to this site seeking help and advice. They certainly deserve to be offered different perspectives to their problems. I suggest AA. You and bugsworth and many others suggest alternative methods. We base our suggestions on what worked for us. Let the one asking for advice choose their approach. And let's all be supportive of any choice they make.