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freya · 07-11-2009, 07:59 PM

So, Louis, lookin' to "stir the pot" a bit I see.

(Actually, I hate that phrase "stir the pot" but it does seem to be popular here on SR.)

Anyways, I started that other thread:

http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...g-helpful.html

......and I think really that these are issues, questions, concepts that it really is not possible to just throw out there with no introduction/guidelines/clearly defined terms etc..... and then reasonably expect to get much other than confusion,frustration, misunderstanding and discord going. Actually, as someone who has taught Sex and Gender Studies on the college level, I think pretty much about a semester's worth of "Intro to Sex and Gender Theory" is like the very minimum needed in order for folks to be able to get a handle on this stuff and begin to think about it effectively and meaningfully and/or discuss it rationally and in any kind of way that might be helpful and make mutual sense. (.....and I'm actually dealing with this in a BIG way in RL right now......but I'll have to post more about that later... This weekend is super-busy and I am friggin' exhausted and I have more than enough sex-and-gender chaos going on right now in my living room between my 2 sons who are home right now to celebrate my b'day.)

Anyways, I do hope you get what you need/want from this thread -- and I will be back......

Good to see you around!

freya

P.S. Just off the top of my head I will say that it is unreasonable for anyone to expect that anyone else truly knows "who he/she is" unless he/she takes the time and puts forth the effort to share deeply and honestly about him/herself. It's not other people's job to know/figure out/mind-read what one fails to share. And, if one's experience and self-concept/perception is radically outside the mainstream, one probably needs to expect to do extra sharing and extra educating if one truly "desires to be known."

P.P.S....and just to "stir the pot" even a but more: If anyone's interested, check out the tophotbutches.com website. Rachel Maddow as #!???????????? What a friggin' joke!!!!........but some of the others -----very butch and very, very hot! Yum!

07-11-2009, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
freya Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,547	So, Louis, lookin' to "stir the pot" a bit I see. (Actually, I hate that phrase "stir the pot" but it does seem to be popular here on SR.) Anyways, I started that other thread: http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/...g-helpful.html ......and I think really that these are issues, questions, concepts that it really is not possible to just throw out there with no introduction/guidelines/clearly defined terms etc..... and then reasonably expect to get much other than confusion,frustration, misunderstanding and discord going. Actually, as someone who has taught Sex and Gender Studies on the college level, I think pretty much about a semester's worth of "Intro to Sex and Gender Theory" is like the very minimum needed in order for folks to be able to get a handle on this stuff and begin to think about it effectively and meaningfully and/or discuss it rationally and in any kind of way that might be helpful and make mutual sense. (.....and I'm actually dealing with this in a BIG way in RL right now......but I'll have to post more about that later... This weekend is super-busy and I am friggin' exhausted and I have more than enough sex-and-gender chaos going on right now in my living room between my 2 sons who are home right now to celebrate my b'day.) Anyways, I do hope you get what you need/want from this thread -- and I will be back...... Good to see you around! freya P.S. Just off the top of my head I will say that it is unreasonable for anyone to expect that anyone else truly knows "who he/she is" unless he/she takes the time and puts forth the effort to share deeply and honestly about him/herself. It's not other people's job to know/figure out/mind-read what one fails to share. And, if one's experience and self-concept/perception is radically outside the mainstream, one probably needs to expect to do extra sharing and extra educating if one truly "desires to be known." P.P.S....and just to "stir the pot" even a but more: If anyone's interested, check out the tophotbutches.com website. Rachel Maddow as #!???????????? What a friggin' joke!!!!........but some of the others -----very butch and very, very hot! Yum! __________________ *Working the Steps isn't about me acquiring power; working the Steps is about removing the things that block me from being a channel for God's Power.* Last edited by freya; 07-11-2009 at 08:25 PM.