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Nallabelle · 06-19-2009, 07:38 AM

I will answer your Q's to the best of my ability. Not a doctor and I dont play one on TV.
1. Never did heroin but I am a vicodin addict. Used to be on Suboxone. Pain pills leave your system faster so the doctor told me to take it at least 6 hours after my last pill. I THINK with heroin you wait longer. I mean you dont have to be in full blown withdrawal, but you need to be jonesin
2. I really cant advise how much you should take, especially since I dont know how much 4-6 bags of H is. I can tell you though that I only ever took the lowest amount possible. I was at 100mg a day vicodin and took 8mg a day suboxone. I could have taken more. IF I WERE IN YOUR SITUATION I would probably start with the first pill and go from there. Suboxone has a long 1/2 life. If I were doing a suboxone detox (rather than long term suboxone therapy) I would take the 1st 8mg and then wait 12-24 hours before taking te 2nd 8mg. The point is to minimize the withdrawals, thats it. Unless you are planing on taking it long term.
3. Ive heard of people taking the subs for like 3-4 days. Suboxone gives withdrawals too though. It might make it a little easier though...but you are sorta just draging it out longer.
4. Suboxone can give you headaches. Also sweating (maybe the withdrawal symptoms just coming through, but i had the sweats the first few days).
Listen, you are NOT going to avoid withdrawal from a heroin habit. I cant even avoid withdrawal when I taper down off vicodins. Think of it like this: when you are detoxing, your body is GETTING BETTER. It is getting all that **** out of your body. You simply have to pay the piper for what you have done to yourself. I have been on this board a while. I can tell you that i have quit and relapsed 1000000 times. There is a lot of good advice on here. When you said you werent interested in NA, that tells me you are not ready to quit. You are going to relapse if you dont go to NA. You WILL RELAPSE WITHOUT HELP. Im sorry, I know you are determined, but people dont beat this without help. Besides, you would be SURPRISED how much going to a meeting helps when you are detoxing. Just try it once, please, just one time.
You are a HEROIN ADDICT. You take a drug and use a needle to put it in your body on a DAILY BASIS. You think you can do it without a program? You cant. This drug will beat you.
I quit over and over again. I refused to believe I needed help. Thus, I relapsed repeatedly. I even relapsed after long term suboxone therapy--because I wasnt doing anything to fix my addictive brain. While on Suboxone I didnt go to meetings or therapy. I thought the subs would fix everything. It didnt. All it did was buy me some time. That is the point of suboxone. Its supposed to give you the time you need to get help before being opiate free. And I had the exact same attitude about NA as you. "It seems really to help people, thats great, but its just not my thing". NA is keeping thousands of junkies before us clean. All the people I have talked to in real life and on this board have told me the exact same thing. "If it wasnt for NA, I would still be using, or dead". They wouldnt say that if it wasnt true and I finally started listening. It was just too hard to do on my own. I also started individual therapy which is a must. If you can afford heroin you can afford therapy.
There are OTC meds that can help you detox. If you dont know these, then take note and stock up on the following:
Immodium (SPECIFICALLY), benadryl (for sleep, anxiety), cranberry pills, Google The Thomas Recipe. Get everything it says to get and start now, epson salts (put in bath tub, helps ALOT, take lots of baths.
Soup, saltine crackers, candy and gator ade. Get them all. Take as many walks as you can. Force yourself. Also, post here as much as you can. Go to the substance abuse forum though, there are more people on it.
You want to change your life. Do it. We can help.

06-19-2009, 07:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Nallabelle Go Browns! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 643 Blog Entries: 1	I will answer your Q's to the best of my ability. Not a doctor and I dont play one on TV. 1. Never did heroin but I am a vicodin addict. Used to be on Suboxone. Pain pills leave your system faster so the doctor told me to take it at least 6 hours after my last pill. I THINK with heroin you wait longer. I mean you dont have to be in full blown withdrawal, but you need to be jonesin 2. I really cant advise how much you should take, especially since I dont know how much 4-6 bags of H is. I can tell you though that I only ever took the lowest amount possible. I was at 100mg a day vicodin and took 8mg a day suboxone. I could have taken more. IF I WERE IN YOUR SITUATION I would probably start with the first pill and go from there. Suboxone has a long 1/2 life. If I were doing a suboxone detox (rather than long term suboxone therapy) I would take the 1st 8mg and then wait 12-24 hours before taking te 2nd 8mg. The point is to minimize the withdrawals, thats it. Unless you are planing on taking it long term. 3. Ive heard of people taking the subs for like 3-4 days. Suboxone gives withdrawals too though. It might make it a little easier though...but you are sorta just draging it out longer. 4. Suboxone can give you headaches. Also sweating (maybe the withdrawal symptoms just coming through, but i had the sweats the first few days). Listen, you are NOT going to avoid withdrawal from a heroin habit. I cant even avoid withdrawal when I taper down off vicodins. Think of it like this: when you are detoxing, your body is GETTING BETTER. It is getting all that ** out of your body. You simply have to pay the piper for what you have done to yourself. I have been on this board a while. I can tell you that i have quit and relapsed 1000000 times. There is a lot of good advice on here. When you said you werent interested in NA, that tells me you are not ready to quit. You are going to relapse if you dont go to NA. You WILL RELAPSE WITHOUT HELP. Im sorry, I know you are determined, but people dont beat this without help. Besides, you would be SURPRISED how much going to a meeting helps when you are detoxing. Just try it once, please, just one time. You are a HEROIN ADDICT. You take a drug and use a needle to put it in your body on a DAILY BASIS. You think you can do it without a program? You cant. This drug will beat you. I quit over and over again. I refused to believe I needed help. Thus, I relapsed repeatedly. I even relapsed after long term suboxone therapy--because I wasnt doing anything to fix my addictive brain. While on Suboxone I didnt go to meetings or therapy. I thought the subs would fix everything. It didnt. All it did was buy me some time. That is the point of suboxone. Its supposed to give you the time you need to get help before being opiate free. And I had the exact same attitude about NA as you. "It seems really to help people, thats great, but its just not my thing". NA is keeping thousands of junkies before us clean. All the people I have talked to in real life and on this board have told me the exact same thing. "If it wasnt for NA, I would still be using, or dead". They wouldnt say that if it wasnt true and I finally started listening. It was just too hard to do on my own. I also started individual therapy which is a must. If you can afford heroin you can afford therapy. There are OTC meds that can help you detox. If you dont know these, then take note and stock up on the following: Immodium (SPECIFICALLY), benadryl (for sleep, anxiety), cranberry pills, Google The Thomas Recipe**. Get everything it says to get and start now, epson salts (put in bath tub, helps ALOT, take lots of baths. Soup, saltine crackers, candy and gator ade. Get them all. Take as many walks as you can. Force yourself. Also, post here as much as you can. Go to the substance abuse forum though, there are more people on it. You want to change your life. Do it. We can help.