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lizw · 04-14-2009, 01:01 PM

I hope someone(s) reply to this as I have been pondering these things for awhile...

Over the last few years I have questioned this statement a lot because while I think it is true when I came in, I don't think it is quite so true now. I also say this because of where it is actually located in the BB. It doesn't say, we had a spiritual awakeing then made decisions based on self etc.. So if we've had a spiritual awakening and all our ideas, beliefs and motives have changed, we are not (on the whole) making these decisions based on self, are we?

I suppose I've come to wonder if this statement is a bit like the promises in the BB which come after the 9th step, but a lot of people mistakenly think they are going to get them from doing 90 in 90.

The other reason I question the use of applying this statement when one has been sober awhile is because it is a very childish idea that the world evolves around me. As in things other people do is just in reaction to me. As in another persons bad behavior is my fault or I 'had a part to play in it.' I'm not saying this is always the case, as I am by no means a saint but as I said, it is quite childish to think I cause other people to do things. I mean am I really that powerful? Of course my head says I am but seriously??

Any of the Big Book folks want to chime in? Jim? Rob? Anyone?
Be great to read what you think...

04-14-2009, 01:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
lizw God's Kid Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,561	I hope someone(s) reply to this as I have been pondering these things for awhile... Over the last few years I have questioned this statement a lot because while I think it is true when I came in, I don't think it is quite so true now. I also say this because of where it is actually located in the BB. It doesn't say, we had a spiritual awakeing then made decisions based on self etc.. So if we've had a spiritual awakening and all our ideas, beliefs and motives have changed, we are not (on the whole) making these decisions based on self, are we? I suppose I've come to wonder if this statement is a bit like the promises in the BB which come after the 9th step, but a lot of people mistakenly think they are going to get them from doing 90 in 90. The other reason I question the use of applying this statement when one has been sober awhile is because it is a very childish idea that the world evolves around me. As in things other people do is just in reaction to me. As in another persons bad behavior is my fault or I 'had a part to play in it.' I'm not saying this is always the case, as I am by no means a saint but as I said, it is quite childish to think I cause other people to do things. I mean am I really that powerful? Of course my head says I am but seriously?? Any of the Big Book folks want to chime in? Jim? Rob? Anyone? Be great to read what you think... __________________ ....blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.