Originally Posted by
kurtrambis 
Yes agree there's no point in being sober and unhappy. If you do the steps brings you serenity fantastic.
I just don't see what this has to with what I have said, unless you are insinuating the classic AA comment that I have heard on numerous occasions that people who are sober without AA aren't happy.
This argument is completely unsubstantiated, its the reason AA is often described as cult like.
Personally I have seen people who do the program who are miserable and I know recovered alcoholics out of AA who are very happy.
If you are not trucker, then the above comment doesn't apply to you and I wish you long term sobriety.
No no not at all my friend......i am a great believer in what ever works for you.
I have an extremely open mind and believe in "what ever works for you"..
I said..interesting post and meant it...
I do NOT believe in forcing my beliefs down others throats.
And are very interested in others take on other programmes or methods.
Your post was..."The majority of alcoholics recover from alcohlism without AA"
And i was expressing what "RECOVER" meant to ME and only me.
Please be clear that i have great respect for anyone that gets sober.
However that is achieved......................trucker