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Tommyh · 11-22-2008, 08:39 PM

Steve I believe the recovery rates are as good as they always was when we really try.I still think it is near 100% for those who do the work.I know I have never had a sponsee faail who reeally worked at it.I have heard some people say they failed,but later on I hear them say how they left out parts of the program so that may explain it.
One problem today is anyone walks into a meeting and when they don`t make it some people proclaim failure.We do not know why they was there.
What did the report say?60% don`t come to get sober?
One thing that really gets me is the sects within AA who still claim AA has a huge failure rate are sure to tell everyone they meet about it.They are spreading fear,doom and gloom.

Among those who propagate the failure myth of a 5% or less AA recovery rate, assertions are made that AA’s alleged dire (and distorted) recovery rate can be restored based on a certain type of beginner’s meeting or Step choreography or verbal, as opposed to written, inventory or a certain way of praying and meditating or through Scripture, etc., etc.These claimed restorative acts are a product of wishful imagination and speculation as opposed to reliable and substantiated historical investigation, information and demonstration. Flawed data gathering techniques, and flawed assertions of cause and effect, remain flawed regardless of where they are cited or who constructed them.

here is the piece on the 60% - 80%

Including the 60% to 80% of the prospects who showed up and did not try AA, in any outcome calculation is not only
absurd, it is tantamount to measuring the effectiveness of a medical procedure by including those who suffer a
medical problem but do not seek medical help. One must at least try a remedy to assess its efficacy - so too with
AA’s recovery program.

11-22-2008, 08:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tommyh Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N.C. Posts: 18,397	Steve I believe the recovery rates are as good as they always was when we really try.I still think it is near 100% for those who do the work.I know I have never had a sponsee faail who reeally worked at it.I have heard some people say they failed,but later on I hear them say how they left out parts of the program so that may explain it. One problem today is anyone walks into a meeting and when they don`t make it some people proclaim failure.We do not know why they was there. What did the report say?60% don`t come to get sober? One thing that really gets me is the sects within AA who still claim AA has a huge failure rate are sure to tell everyone they meet about it.They are spreading fear,doom and gloom. Among those who propagate the failure myth of a 5% or less AA recovery rate, assertions are made that AA’s alleged dire (and distorted) recovery rate can be restored based on a certain type of beginner’s meeting or Step choreography or verbal, as opposed to written, inventory or a certain way of praying and meditating or through Scripture, etc., etc.These claimed restorative acts are a product of wishful imagination and speculation as opposed to reliable and substantiated historical investigation, information and demonstration. Flawed data gathering techniques, and flawed assertions of cause and effect, remain flawed regardless of where they are cited or who constructed them. here is the piece on the 60% - 80% Including the 60% to 80% of the prospects who showed up and did not try AA, in any outcome calculation is not only absurd, it is tantamount to measuring the effectiveness of a medical procedure by including those who suffer a medical problem but do not seek medical help. One must at least try a remedy to assess its efficacy - so too with AA’s recovery program.